Did Christ come to forgive sins?

[JeffreyLloyd]

I'm asking this question is two or three congregation forums, so please ONLY Baptists answer my question:

Would you agree with me when I say:

Jesus' main reason for coming to Earth, being born of the Virgin Mary, and being crucified on the cross was so that our sins may be forgiven.

He came to forgive our sins.

Agree?
Disagree?

 

[ZiSunka]

Disagree. Christ came to be the final sacrifice to make peace between us and God. Forgiveness is part of that, but not the whole reason God made himself into man and dwelled among us.

 

[Jessica Lauren]

Yes, I believe that was his MAIN reason.

 

[Matthan]

Jesus came to fulfill the law of Moses. When the Jews rejected Him as the Christ, God turned to "Plan B", which was to open Heaven to everyone, Jew or Gentile, who qualified. In that regard, Jesus also invested us with a New Covenant between man and God. And, while Jesus forgave sins of individuals during His mission and ministry, His primary purpose was to be the perfect propituation for sins, not forgive them.

God forgives sins. God tells us He forgets the sins of all those who love His Son with a heart-felt belief that Jesus is the Christ of God. Remember,as Christians our sins were nailed to Jesus' cross long ago.

Matthan <J><

 

[SteveR2021]

Jesus came to fulfill the law of Moses. When the Jews rejected Him as the Christ, God turned to "Plan B",

I don't mean to be picky but I would have to disagree here. I don't believe this was plan B. I believe it was God's intent all along to include Gentiles...I think (i could be wrong here) that what you are talking about comes from Dispensationalism (spelling?).

No big deal here...either way we are agreed - Gentiles are part of God's plan of salvation.

 

[aReformedPatriot]

I don't mean to be picky but I would have to disagree here. I don't believe this was plan B. I believe it was God's intent all along to include Gentiles.

Amen, I do too. Christ was in the plan of God from the beggining. I believe that God, in all his omnipotence foresaw what would happen, and from the very beggining it was part of the grand scheme.

I'm asking this question is two or three congregation forums, so please ONLY Baptists answer my question:

Would you agree with me when I say:

Jesus' main reason for coming to Earth, being born of the Virgin Mary, and being crucified on the cross was so that our sins may be forgiven.

He came to forgive our sins.

Agree?
Disagree?

1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,

I would be inclined to agree with you that this is the main reason, but it is largely intertwined with so much more. This was the cup handed to him by the father, and when Jesus died, our good Lord pronounced that "it is finished." By the way your question provoked an interesting discussion between me and some seminary buddies on my hall. This is the consensus we have come to.

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

Amen, I do too. Christ was in the plan of God from the beggining. I believe that God, in all his omnipotence foresaw what would happen, and from the very beggining it was part of the grand scheme.



1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,

I would be inclined to agree with you that this is the main reason, but it is largely intertwined with so much more. This was the cup handed to him by the father, and when Jesus died, our good Lord pronounced that "it is finished." By the way your question provoked an interesting discussion between me and some seminary buddies on my hall. This is the consensus we have come to.

Thanks for quoting the scripture too

 

[GreenEyedLady]

I'm asking this question is two or three congregation forums, so please ONLY Baptists answer my question:

Would you agree with me when I say:

Jesus' main reason for coming to Earth, being born of the Virgin Mary, and being crucified on the cross was so that our sins may be forgiven.

He came to forgive our sins.

Agree?
Disagree?

I have to disagree. He died to give us eternal life.
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
To be our salvation. God forgave sins in the OT. Christ dying on the cross was our gift to eternal life. By His death, we are saved and sealed until the day of redemption.
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
GEL

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

I have to disagree. He died to give us eternal life.
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
To be our salvation. God forgave sins in the OT. Christ dying on the cross was our gift to eternal life. By His death, we are saved and sealed until the day of redemption.
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
GEL

So how does he give us eternal life? Doesn't it all come down to Christ dying on the cross so our sins can be forgiven... and thus have the free gift of eternal life?

 

[mesue]

I'm asking this question is two or three congregation forums, so please ONLY Baptists answer my question:

Would you agree with me when I say:

Jesus' main reason for coming to Earth, being born of the Virgin Mary, and being crucified on the cross was so that our sins may be forgiven.

He came to forgive our sins.

Agree?
Disagree?

Jesus came as a sacrafice for our sins. He paid the price for our sins. He does forgive sin, but He came and took our punishment for sin. When God sees me He sees me through Jesus's shed blood.
I thought you used to be Baptist?

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

Jesus came as a sacrafice for our sins. He paid the price for our sins. He does forgive sin, but He came and took our punishment for sin. When God sees me He sees me through Jesus's shed blood.
I thought you used to be Baptist?

I was - Southern Baptist. And my beliefs in this have not changed since I have become Catholic.

Talking with Baptist friends, they all agreed with me. That Christ came to Earth so that our sins may be forgiven and that we may have that perfect relationship with God.

I thought all christians were on the same page here, and I just wanted to see myself. Best way is to ask

 

[seebs]

To forgive our sins? Yes. To pay for them? I don't think so; a debt paid is not forgiven, and a debt forgiven is not paid. It must be one or the other.

 

[Andyman_1970]

Jesus came to fulfill the law of Moses.

With all due respect, when a Jewish rabbi in the 1st century says “I have fulfilled Torah” it doesn’t mean He did away with it, it means He correctly interpreted Torah.

When the Jews rejected Him as the Christ………

Actually most scholars agree that at the end of the book of Acts there were between 200,000 and 400,000 Messianic Jews (Jewish Christians) the end of Acts is some almost 30 years after Jesus, so to say that Jews on the whole rejected Jesus (although many did) is a bit of a misnomer.

God turned to "Plan B", which was to open Heaven to everyone, Jew or Gentile, who qualified.

Again, with all due respect salvation has been available to everyone even before Jesus, just read the book of Jonah – those Ninevites were Gentiles and a million of them “got saved”. Isaiah 45:22 “Turn to me (repent) and be saved.”

 

[TwinCrier]

To forgive our sins? Yes. To pay for them? I don't think so; a debt paid is not forgiven, and a debt forgiven is not paid. It must be one or the other.

I disagree. A debt cannot be forgiven until it is paid, otherwise it is still outstanding... unless the person owed dies...

 

[JonnyP]

Jesus' main reason for coming to Earth, being born of the Virgin Mary, and being crucified on the cross was so that our sins may be forgiven.
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Agree?
Disagree?

AGREE.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[SumTinWong]

John 1:29 "On the next day Johnjoh1_notes.htm#175 saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of Godjoh1_notes.htm#176 who takes away the sin of the world!"

 

[Cright]

I agreed... however, I don't believe it's the ONLY reason He came and died for us, one of the other MAIN reasons was to fulfill scripture. God also doesn't ever have to "prove" anything to us, but he proved Jesus is God with his miracles and scripture fulfillment.

Obviously God is God and he could forgive our sins in any process he chooses, he didn't have to send his son to die a horrible death to forgive us. To say it "had" to happen that way is putting God in a box.

 

[eldermike]

The wages of sin is death. Forgiveness did not remove the wages of sin. Death was removed by paying the wage, we were not only forgiven by substitution, we were also purchased.

Now God is quick to forgive, but you must confess. If you want to redeem your free ticket, the one already paid in full, you must confess with your mouth that you are a sinner deserving of death and that Jesus is Savior and Lord. It's pretty simple but it's not just a simple act of forgiveness, it's the price of your sin that was paid that makes this possible.

The reason this is important: We would tend to become universalistic in our thinking - also, we can adopt a wrong attitude about sin.

Jesus thanked the Father for all who would be given to Him after His death on the cross. It's in John 17.

 

[BT]

Disagree.

He came to glorify His Father.

Mission Accomplished.

God's plan from before the foundation of the world was His own Glory, not man's redemption.

Romans 3:24-26 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

 

[mesue]

To forgive our sins? Yes. To pay for them? I don't think so; a debt paid is not forgiven, and a debt forgiven is not paid. It must be one or the other.

My sin debt is paid in full.

Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Luke 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.