If we truly serve the Spirit, we will have a changed heart and the letter will automatically be kept. God's law is good for us.So then we do serve in the Spirit plus letter? Is that what you're saying?
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If we truly serve the Spirit, we will have a changed heart and the letter will automatically be kept. God's law is good for us.So then we do serve in the Spirit plus letter? Is that what you're saying?
I agree thatGod writes in our hearts and minds, but it's not letters that he writes.It's not characters, its the law personally written by God. It's only characters if it doesn't mean something. The law was written in stone by the finger of God, that God now writes in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant. Hebrews 8:10 We obey the law out of love 1 John 5:3, John 14:15, John 15:10, Exodus 20:6 and it is activated when we become doers of the law Romans 2:13, James 1:22, Revelation 22:14
Your intent may admirable, but misdirected. Surely you have to know that sin exists independent of the 10 commandments!We are told those who willfully sin, there remains no more sacrifice Hebrews 10:26-30 and believe it or not all I am trying to do is help before its too late.
The letter is what points out sin so we know what not to break. 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7 Romans 3:20 We serve by the Spirit. The two work in harmony and not in conflict. John 14:15-18 It's only in conflict if you keep the law only by the letter and don't have the Spirit, or are breaking the law (letter), one who breaks the law cannot serve the Spirit.I agree thatGod writes in our hearts and minds, but it's not letters that he writes.
Answered previously. I need to get some work done so take care.Is that a Yes? We serve in Spirit plus letter?
The letter is what points out sin so we know what not to break. 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7 Romans 3:20 We serve by the Spirit. The two work in harmony and not in conflict. John 14:15-18 It's only in conflict if you keep the law only be the letter and don't have the Spirit, or are breaking the law, one who breaks the law cannot serve by the Spirit.
May things go well in your work!Answered previously. I need to get some work done so take care.
Obviously, there are "commandments of God" other than the 613 elements of the Law of Moses (including the 10).If the law was “retired” why does the devil care if God’s saints keep the commandments of God?
First, Paul declares the end of the Law many times other than Romans 7. Ephesians 2 and Romans 10 to name just two.I know you want to hang your hat on this one verse from Paul, which I have explained previously, if one is walking in the Spirit, they are obeying the commandments.
This is a contrived interpretation that does great violence to Paul's actual wording that we no longer serve according to the letter. Words have meanings and unless you can show that the original greek for the word translated as "serve" means "to be released from condemnation", I think that Romans 7:6 is fatal to your position.You can’t walk in the Spirit and sin. When it says we are released from the law, it means the condemnation...
Circular reasoning.So it's not a "coincidence" that murder is still a sin in the New Testament because God, the Creator of all things, including the Ten Commandments written by His own finger writes His law in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10.
For the fourth time:The letter is what points out sin so we know what not to break. 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7 Romans 3:20
I know your post was for someone else. I hope you do not mind me sharing a few scriptures that might be helpful to the discussion for anyone who might be interested. A teaching of lawlessness (without law) is not biblical and is a false teaching according to the scriptures. If there is no law we have no knowledge of what sin is and have no need of Gods salvation. In fact according to the scriptures, Jesus taught us saying do not think I have come to destroy the law and the prophets in Matthew 5:17-20. That is do not even let it come into your mind and goes on to say, "unless our righteousness exceeds that of the Scribes and the Pharisees we will not enter into the Kingdom of God *see Matthew 5:20; Matthew 23:27-31. According to the scriptures, Jesus came to fulfill not to abolish Gods' law. Anyone teaching Gods' law is abolished is teaching lawlessness (without law) which is not biblical. According to the scriptures, Jesus came to fulfill all righteousness *Matthew 3:15 and all things written of Him in the scriptures (e.g. Matthew 2:15; 23; Matthew 4:13-14; 8:16-17; 12-16:17; 13:35; 21:4; Matthew 27:35 etc) not abolish the 10 commandments.For the fourth time
1 John 3:4: this text does not mention the Law of Moses! Yes, sin is lawlessness, but this does not mean that a particular law - the Law of Moses including the 10 - remains in effect.Romans 3:20: Context is key. You are conveniently silent on the fact that, in context, Paul is describing what was the case - that the Law did, in the past, let the Jew know what sin was. How do we know that this is now in the past? The very next verse! But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been revealed, .... Romans 7:7: You do not account for context. Once more, you remain conveniently tight-lipped on the fact that Paul has just told us that we no longer serve the Law. In context, and this can be argued at length, Paul believes the time of the Law has come to an end, but he can still praise it for the role it played in an evolving plan.
And what you call the true Israel? For them, did all laws end either at the cross or at the destruction of the Temple?
For the fourth time:
1 John 3:4: this text does not mention the Law of Moses! Yes, sin is lawlessness, but this does not mean that a particular law - the Law of Moses including the 10 - remains in effect.
Romans 3:20: Context is key. You are conveniently silent on the fact that, in context, Paul is describing what was the case - that the Law did, in the past, let the Jew know what sin was. How do we know that this is now in the past? The very next verse! But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been revealed, ....
Romans 7:7: You do not account for context. Once more, you remain conveniently tight-lipped on the fact that Paul has just told us that we no longer serve the Law. In context, and this can be argued at length, Paul believes the time of the Law has come to an end, but he can still praise it for the role it played in an evolving plan.
No, I place my trust in Jesus and when He quotes directly from the Ten Commandments and tells us we should keep the least of the commandments, I believe Him. Matthew 5:19-30 I believe Jesus when He tells us If you love Me, keep My commandments, which He quotes verbatim from the Ten Exodus 20:6. I believe God when He tells us He shows mercy to thousands who love Him and keep His commandments, which He wrote with His own finger, placed in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of His Temple where He dwells and the Ten Commandments are placed under His mercy seat which is revealed in heaven, Revelation 11:19 So of course they are still in force, it is what we will be judged on James 2:10-12. We should obey God because we love Him and want to obey Him. He is our Creator and Savior so we should believe and do what He asks of us.Circular reasoning.
You are essentially assuming the very thing you need to make a case for - that the 10 are still in force as a prescriptive code. Let me try to explain since the issues here are admittedly subtle.
If, repeat if, the Spirit prompts our conscience to let us know that we should not murder, the result is the same as if we had consulted a written code. But we have not, in fact, followed a written code at all - we have simply listened to the Spirit.
Maybe I misunderstand you but you appear to believe that if the Spirit happens to tell us something we could otherwise learn from the 10, then this means the 10 are still in force.
But that is rather obviously wrong - if we have an inner guide, then we do not need the 10 commandments. As others are saying, the "coincidence" that the Spirit guides us to not murder does not, by any reasonable standard, indicate that the commandment to not murder is still in effect.
Strawman - I have never denied that sin is lawlessness (and the original greek work translated as "lawlessness" can be translated as "iniquity" which removes the concept of "law", but that is for another post).I know your post was for someone else. I hope you do not mind me sharing a few scriptures that might be helpful to the discussion for anyone who might be interested. A teaching of lawlessness (without law) is not biblical and is a false teaching according to the scriptures.
I think it will be hard to defend this assertion Biblically. Paul declares that we no longer serve according to the written code but rather we serve according the Spirit. Yes, Paul affirms that the Law showed the Jew what sin is, but Paul also affirms that things have changed with the giving of the Spirit:If there is no law we have no knowledge of what sin is and have no need of Gods salvation.
I repeat a detailed argument to the effect that Jesus is not intending us to believe that the Law will persist until literally the end of time:In fact according to the scriptures, Jesus taught us saying do not think I have come to destroy the law and the prophets in Matthew 5:17-20.
Another strawman - no one, of course, is denying that we should keep Jesus's commandments.Jesus says- If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15
You seem to be a bit all over the place in regard to the commandments. You say in one breath we don't have to follow the law, but now we should keep the commandments which is the law. Jesus and God's commandments are the same. Jesus quoted directly from the Ten often references here Did Christ at the cross end all the laws?Another strawman - no one, of course, is denying that we should keep Jesus's commandments.
This has been addressed before. The concept of "fulfillment" can entail something coming to an end.According to the scriptures, Jesus came to fulfill not to abolish Gods' law.