Did anyone see the Jerry Falwell interview?

[smurfy2day]

Forgive my imperfections.

I just threw these in as some expamples. I will certainly find some more that is up to a perfectionists way of thinking.

 

[seebs]

I'd be interested to know: At *EXACTLY* what age do people think we draw the line for pedophilia? I am aware of countries where the age of consent is anywhere from 12 to 18 today. I know a LOT of people who had sex before they turned 18, making it legally *rape* under our laws, and certainly "pedophilia" by some people's standards.

Is 9 too young? It sounds too young to me, but I can't speak for another culture in which people might marry younger. 9-year-old girls may have started showing secondary sexual characteristics, although it's rare.

 

[ocean]

Actually, it is legal to marry at 16 in some states.....but that's beside the point.

9 is certainly too young, and it is definently pedophilia. However, a 20yr old man marrying and having s-- with a 17 year old woman is NOT "pedophilia."

seebs said: "at *EXACTLY* what age do we draw the line for pedophilia?"

I really don't know. maybe 16-17 or something like that.

 

[agnostic front]

We're expected to interpret the Bible within its historical context, which includes the life of Jesus, so why not do the same for Mohammed? Read some history. Mohammed was a man of his time. Marrying a young girl was not seen as pedophilia during his time in his culture. I'm not saying it was right or wrong. Many things that have been done throughout history in different cultures that we look back on and disprove of. It's because we're seeing from our present day culture which has its own customs, traditions, rules, laws, etc.

Falwell and all those who call Mohammed a terrorist have not defined what they mean when they call him a terrorist. Falwell calls him a terrorist and immediately people think of Mohammed as being just like Bin Laden and doing the same type of activities. Not true at all. How about reading a few biographies of Mohammed (ones that are more objective - no religious bias) and decide for yourself what type of man Mohammed was. I have read biographies of his life and IMO he was not a terrorist, at least as it's defined in our present day. He was a religious man perfectly within the bounds of his culture and time.

 

 

 

 

[coastie]

I don't know about Mohammed fitting the profile of a terrorist, but I am shocked at the people who are defending this religion.

Are you aware that the Quran DOES speak of destroying Christianity and killing Christians if they do not repent and follow the teachings of Mohammed?

I know that only a handful of Muslims are violent terrorists, but they are the fundamentalists. If you follow the Quran to the word, they are not sinning (in a loose sense of the word).

I know quite a few followers of Islam, and only one of them would I describe as a violent person, but most all of them believe that Christianity is an evil religion.

Tell me Souljah, why is it wrong to call Islam evil?

That doesn't mean that we don't still love the follower, but wrong is wrong, there is no hypothetical ranking.

 

[agnostic front]

Originally posted by coastie
I don't know about Mohammed fitting the profile of a terrorist, but I am shocked at the people who are defending this religion.

Are you aware that the Quran DOES speak of destroying Christianity and killing Christians if they do not repent and follow the teachings of Mohammed?

I know that only a handful of Muslims are violent terrorists, but they are the fundamentalists. If you follow the Quran to the word, they are not sinning (in a loose sense of the word).

I know quite a few followers of Islam, and only one of them would I describe as a violent person, but most all of them believe that Christianity is an evil religion.

Tell me Souljah, why is it wrong to call Islam evil?

That doesn't mean that we don't still love the follower, but wrong is wrong, there is no hypothetical ranking.

Give me a break, dude. I'm just relieved that Christians don't take most of the Bible literally or we'd have a problem with Christian terrorists.

 

[smurfy2day]

Originally posted by coastie
I don't know about Mohammed fitting the profile of a terrorist, but I am shocked at the people who are defending this religion.

Are you aware that the Quran DOES speak of destroying Christianity and killing Christians if they do not repent and follow the teachings of Mohammed?

I know that only a handful of Muslims are violent terrorists, but they are the fundamentalists. If you follow the Quran to the word, they are not sinning (in a loose sense of the word).

I know quite a few followers of Islam, and only one of them would I describe as a violent person, but most all of them believe that Christianity is an evil religion.

Tell me Souljah, why is it wrong to call Islam evil?

That doesn't mean that we don't still love the follower, but wrong is wrong, there is no hypothetical ranking.

 

I tend to agree here....

 

[coastie]

Give me a break, dude. I'm just relieved that Christians don't take most of the Bible literally or we'd have a problem with Christian terrorists.

You have no idea how many times I've already been through this challenge. Your statement holds no weight.

Enlighten me, Tell me how the Bible teaches people to be terrorists.

 

[agnostic front]

Originally posted by coastie
You have no idea how many times I've already been through this challenge. Your statement holds no weight.

Enlighten me, Tell me how the Bible teaches people to be terrorists.

Christians throughout history have used examples from the OT where Yahweh is killing people left and right because they're not part of his plan for Israel.

 

[coastie]

So because GOD saw fit to kill someone, you believe that the Bible teaches Christians to do the same?

There is no verse in the Bible that says, "Kill whoever doesn't repent to God and follow the teachings of Jesus."

But there is a holy book of another religion that says something very similar.

Zach

 

[coastie]

Actually, Jesus teaches just the opposite (in Mark Chapter 5):

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more [than others]? do not even the publicans so?
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

If anyone acts out of any anger or hate toward another, they are very obviously not following the teachings of Jesus Christ.

in Christ,

Zach

 

[Caffeine Socialism]

Oh, wonderful. More religious strife. So, coastie, it's alright for God to kill people (well, their souls) if they don't adhere to X religion, but it's evil for people to kill people if they don't adhere to Y religion. Well. Once again the loving face of God rears its ugly self.
That is exactly how religious terrorism starts. If God can do it, and we are very devout (and godly, moreover), then why can't we? They'd be doing God's will, right?

 

[LadyShea]

Can you cite the book and chapter of the Qu'ran where it states Muslims should kill Christians?

Jesus also said

Like 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

 

[coastie]

. So, coastie, it's alright for God to kill people (well, their souls) if they don't adhere to X religion, but it's evil for people to kill people if they don't adhere to Y religion. Well. Once again the loving face of God rears its ugly self.

That is completely illogical. You go ahead and tell God what he can and cannot do.

However, all I can do as a Christian is do what the Bible says to and that is that murder is wrong. You can make up scenarios all you want, but I've produced scripture strait from the Bible refuting your claims.

Can you cite the book and chapter of the Qu'ran where it states Muslims should kill Christians?

I'll get back to you on that.

Like 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

as usual... this was completely taken out of context. First of all, this is a fictitious Story told by Jesus known as a parable, which loosely defined is a story used to teach a lesson.

Second, Jesus wasn't condoning murder here, this is Jesus quoting what an angry king said to one of his servants.

Why is it that whenever Islam comes up, it is Christianity that is put on trial while you atheists defend Islam?

 

[coastie]

Here are some verses for LadyShea

Kill those who join other gods with Allah wherever you find them; besiege them, seize them, lay in wait for them with every kind of ambush (Sura 9:5)

When you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads, until ye have made a great slaughter among them (Sura 47:4)

Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in Allah, or in the Last Day, and who forbid not what Allah and His Apostle have forbidden....until they pay tribute (Sura 9:29)

Say to the infidels: If they desist, what is now past shall be forgiven them; but if they return, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah's (Sura 8:39)

Proclaim a grievious penalty to those who reject faith (Sura 9:3)

Zach

 

[mac_philo]

It's a rather naive stereotype to say "you atheists [...] defend Islam." I have never defended Islam, and I don't see anyone in the last few messages doing so, either. All I saw was someone asking for the exact part of the Quran that compels believers to kills nonbelievers.

 

[coastie]

It's a rather naive stereotype to say "you atheists [...] defend Islam." I have never defended Islam, and I don't see anyone in the last few messages doing so, either. All I saw was someone asking for the exact part of the Quran that compels believers to kills nonbelievers.

Well, I can always count on you to catch me in brief moments of stupidity.

Thanks for keeping me in check.

YOU ATHEISTS... sorry bout the gross generalization. I'll try and keep my generalizations limited to liberals... ah... er... I mean, I won't do it again

Zach

 

[LadyShea]

I certainly don't defend Islam, sorry to be unclear...I just wonder if Christians don't sometimes take other's religious teachings out of context as well. The OT could be used to display a bloodthirsty war god instead of the loving deity Christians talk about.

 

[coastie]

Originally posted by LadyShea (taken out of context by Coastie)
I defend Islam, sorry to be unclear...I just take other's religious teachings out of context to display a bloodthirsty war god instead of the loving deity Christians talk about.

I absolutely agree with your REAL post not the humerous example of contextual skewing above.

It is so easy to do. But my personal research doesn't come to a conclusion that Islam is a peaceful religion. I know quite a few Muslims who (except for maybe one) are all very peaceful people.

However, the Quran doesn't teach love quite like the Bible does, and if taken for face value, it does teach violence. However, that is not to say that followers are inherently violent people.

 

[Inspired]

Can we name off all the verses where the bible says to kill?

Leviticus
17:25 And the men of Israel said, Have ye seen this man that is come up? surely to defy Israel is he come up: and it shall be, that the man who killeth him, the king will enrich him with great riches, and will give him his daughter, and make his father's house free in Israel.

17:26 And David spake to the men that stood by him, saying, What shall be done to the man that killeth this Philistine, and taketh away the reproach from Israel? for who is this uncircumcised Philistine, that he should defy the armies of the living God?

17:27 And the people answered him after this manner, saying, So shall it be done to the man that killeth him.


NUMBERS 31
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

REVELATION 13
13:15 And it was given [unto him] to give breath to it, [even] to the image to the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Deuteronomy 22:22
If a man be found lying with a woman married to all husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel

Leviticus 20:10
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.


This list could go on for pages, they all say to kill someone who goes against the bible.