Did anyone see the Jerry Falwell interview?

[coastie]

This list could go on for pages, they all say to kill someone who goes against the bible.

And your goal would be for me to explain each one of those for you?

This is ridiculous

1. because the topic is about the Quran
2. because you do not understand a single one of those if you think that they serve to prove your point.

You are wasting your time to prove something that simply isn't true.

 

[Inspired]

Originally posted by coastie
And your goal would be for me to explain each one of those for you?

This is ridiculous

1. because the topic is about the Quran
2. because you do not understand a single one of those if you think that they serve to prove your point.

You are wasting your time to prove something that simply isn't true.

So the bible does not say people who go against should be killed?

Oh then yes please enlightened me, what does it mean when it says " he shall surely be put to death?"

The topic was Jerry Falwell calling someone a terrorist because their religious teachings tells them to kill those who do not follow it, just as the Christian religion does.

 

[Gerry]

Why don't we all just agree that Jerry Falwell is a demon from hell and that all he has ever done in his entire life is try to keep people away from God and on the way to hell. Falwell is a very evil man who doesn't believe in Jesus and never does anything good. Yes the world will be far better off when Falwell has left it and gone to his reward, and when he does stand before God, may He have mercy on his soul.

At least a lot of Christians won't have him to gripe about anymore.

To those Christians griping about Falwell, How many souls have you won?

 

[kstulen]

I just read through this little fight here and signed up for this site just because I want to say two things.

1. To all the non-christians
It is good to be open minded and seek the truth through whatever means you need to. I do not what the truth is... so I am seeking as well.
Here is my problem... most non-christians will automatically denounce anything even slightly christian oriented as a knee jerk response. I think we need to weigh the facts and beliefs more carefully. There is no earthly "absolute evil" or "absolute good", even the words right and wrong are only based on thousands of years of social customs, mores, and norms.
So please non-christians, be fair, just and really think about the issue not about being "right". After all "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." is great advice whether you believe in Jesus or not. Mohammed may have been a terrorist and maybe not who knows?

2. To all the christians
One thing I really envy is faith and I applaud you all for it! It is not easy to stand up for christianity and to those who succeed, I'm sure you will be rewarded.
To say that you know mohammed is a terrorist, pedophile, etc... is a very silly thing to say. You were not there, you did not know him. And believing what some preacher says about a man from a different time, culture, religion, and when our country is trying to rally support for a middle east staged war, is sheer gullibility. If the muslims choose to they could call Peter a barbarian, and Jesus an alcoholic! Of course these things are taken out of context and so is much of what has been qouted so far in the anti-muslim league.
One thing I see very often though is knowing the bible so well but applying so few of the tough lessons. "Love thy neighbor" is one of the hardest things I have ever read. This means the murderers, rapists, terrorists, etc... get the same amount of love as your family, if you wish to follow Jesus' example. No one can say they have done this even 60% of the time and be honest. I hear many bible misquotes trying to justify turning Iraq and Afghanistan into radioactive parking lots. These from loving christians who I know are good people. Be careful with where you place blame and judgement, because you cannot judge ultimately who is right and wrong. Only the one above us can. All Christians and non-christians can benifit from this one lesson...

"Do not be too eager to deal out death and judgement for even the very wise cannot see all ends." Gandalf - J.R.R. Tolkien

We should all concentrate on being better more loving people, who are more willing to forgive, rather than bickering on some forum about who is right and wrong.

 

[smurfy2day]

Originally posted by kstulen
I just read through this little fight here and signed up for this site just because I want to say two things.

1. To all the non-christians
It is good to be open minded and seek the truth through whatever means you need to. I do not what the truth is... so I am seeking as well.
Here is my problem... most non-christians will automatically denounce anything even slightly christian oriented as a knee jerk response. I think we need to weigh the facts and beliefs more carefully. There is no earthly "absolute evil" or "absolute good", even the words right and wrong are only based on thousands of years of social customs, mores, and norms.
So please non-christians, be fair, just and really think about the issue not about being "right". After all "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." is great advice whether you believe in Jesus or not. Mohammed may have been a terrorist and maybe not who knows?

2. To all the christians
One thing I really envy is faith and I applaud you all for it! It is not easy to stand up for christianity and to those who succeed, I'm sure you will be rewarded.
To say that you know mohammed is a terrorist, pedophile, etc... is a very silly thing to say. You were not there, you did not know him. And believing what some preacher says about a man from a different time, culture, religion, and when our country is trying to rally support for a middle east staged war, is sheer gullibility. If the muslims choose to they could call Peter a barbarian, and Jesus an alcoholic! Of course these things are taken out of context and so is much of what has been qouted so far in the anti-muslim league.
One thing I see very often though is knowing the bible so well but applying so few of the tough lessons. "Love thy neighbor" is one of the hardest things I have ever read. This means the murderers, rapists, terrorists, etc... get the same amount of love as your family, if you wish to follow Jesus' example. No one can say they have done this even 60% of the time and be honest. I hear many bible misquotes trying to justify turning Iraq and Afghanistan into radioactive parking lots. These from loving christians who I know are good people. Be careful with where you place blame and judgement, because you cannot judge ultimately who is right and wrong. Only the one above us can. All Christians and non-christians can benifit from this one lesson...

"Do not be too eager to deal out death and judgement for even the very wise cannot see all ends." Gandalf - J.R.R. Tolkien

We should all concentrate on being better more loving people, who are more willing to forgive, rather than bickering on some forum about who is right and wrong.

 

In case you have not noticed, that is PRECISELY what this site was set up for. No one here is judging or blaming, they are simply stating their opinions, and questioning things. I don't know where you're from, but in America, we live in a free country, and this is allowed.

And for the record, anyone who has INTERCOURSE with a nine year old CHILD is a pedophile. You can't argue that. Sorry. As far as him being a terrorist, well, Jesus certainly didn't proclaim in his message to "go against those who go against Allah," or something to that effect, did He? And when Muslims celebrate for killing innocent life, there is something SERIOUSLY wrong there.....

 

[coastie]

Originally posted by Inspired
So the bible does not say people who go against should be killed?

Oh then yes please enlightened me, what does it mean when it says " he shall surely be put to death?"

The topic was Jerry Falwell calling someone a terrorist because their religious teachings tells them to kill those who do not follow it, just as the Christian religion does.

Alright smarty pants, I will "enlighten you".

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

This is Levitical law. Law that Jesus superceded because we are no longer immediately condemned for sins but can be forgiven because Jesus died on the cross for us. No Christian teaches this as law, because this is from the Torah. The only people who still believe that they are subject to this law are Jewish people because they do not believe the New Testament.

However, I haven't heard of any Jews acting on this statement either, have you?

As far as the Christian religion teaching someone to kill anyone who doesn't follow the Bible's teachings.

You are absolutely undeniably wrong.

Zach

 

[coastie]

Originally posted by coastie
Actually, Jesus teaches just the opposite (in Mark Chapter 5):

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more [than others]? do not even the publicans so?
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

If anyone acts out of any anger or hate toward another, they are very obviously not following the teachings of Jesus Christ.

in Christ,

Zach

I'll post this again because apparently Inspired skipped over it, otherwise you wouldn't even be arguing this with me.

Above is the Law as Jesus proclaimed. I don't know a Christian in the world that doesn't consider Jesus' word final and hold the belief that it supercedes all other law.

Zach

 

[Inspired]

I didn't skip over it, don't appreciate the smarty pants remark, and I still don't agree with you, over it seems I can do that without resulting to childish name calling.


The bible gives death as a punishment for sins all the way through.
A sin is by definition going againist the bible. Therefore the bible teaches death is the punishment for going againist it, most people have enough common sense to figure out that, that is not the way things should be handled no, because they don't take it "literally".

 

[coastie]

I didn't skip over it, don't appreciate the smarty pants remark, and I still don't agree with you, over it seems I can do that without resulting to childish name calling.

Lighten up. It wasn't meant to offend you.

But I am very sorry I offended you.

The bible gives death as a punishment for sins all the way through.

Metaphoric in most circumstances... In a sense "spiritual death".

A sin is by definition going againist the bible.

The Bible is the law. By breaking the law you are commiting a sin against God.

most people have enough common sense to figure out that, that is not the way things should be handled no, because they don't take it "literally".

And those few idiots are the reason that you tell me that the Bible teaches violence?

I think I am not understanding your logic here.

Zach

 

[Inspired]

Originally posted by coastie




Metaphoric in most circumstances... In a sense "spiritual death".

It does not say their soul will go to hell, it says they shall surely be put to death.

 

[coastie]

Originally posted by Inspired
It does not say their soul will go to hell, it says they shall surely be put to death.

And I have explained that that verse is the Old Law and only observed by followers of the Torah.

When Jesus came, that all changed. (as I have said before)

 

[Inspired]

Matthew 15
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;


well here is one I know off the top of my head is after Jesus came according to the bible.

 

[coastie]

It says "let him die" not "When you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads, until ye have made a great slaughter among them".

I'm sure you can see a stark difference between the two Holy BOoks.

However, that isn't the point of the passage you chose. That passage was Jesus using that particular command as an example of the Pharisees' hypocratic accusations toward toward Jesus' followers.

You should go ahead and read that chapter. Chapter 15 in Matthew is very enlightening, as far as, who Jesus really was and what he stood for.

Zach

 

[BioPooka]

You say every time a person psot a pro-killing bible quote its out of context?

The very same argument could apply to you and your koran quotes.