Did America Bring the Attacks On Itself??

[Michael0701]

Gwynn,

As for being an isolated country, Belgium is hardly on anyones list for being a modern day empire. It seems to me that it does a pretty good job of keeping it's nose out of everyone's business. So how do they get repaid:

http://www.observer.co.uk/islam/story/0,1442,851355,00.html

 

I recommend this link to anyone who entertains the idea that if we just sit here and be quiet and mind our own business, then all will be ok.

 

[gwyyn]

lol michael i was being sarcastic!

 

[Michael0701]

That's the way I took it, but I will admit to at times feeling that I wish we would.

 

[Captain Chappy]

I find it interesting that pre-9/11 America had no use for God, and the day after millions had "God bless America" signs. Why should God bless America? With television shows like "Temtation Island" and "Americal Idol", I can't see why He should.

 

[alonesoldier]

Because you only see the bad. So far as our culture is concerned your right. I believe America has created a place where men can freely accept Christ or reject him, without fear of persecution in either direction. I believe America's has a good heart for feeding, clothing and providing medicines to the world and for creating the most successful free Country the planet has ever known. Everything the good and the bad needs to also be taken into account.. God doesn't owe American's anything. But we ask for his grace.
-Nicholas

 

[caley]

Originally posted by Captain Chappy
I find it interesting that pre-9/11 America had no use for God, and the day after millions had "God bless America" signs. Why should God bless America? With television shows like "Temtation Island" and "Americal Idol", I can't see why He should.

i have a problem with the "god bless america" stuff because it seems there is an implied phrase at the end attempting to exclude all other countries from god's blessings.  i looked all over for a "god bless afghanistan" bumper sticker after 9-11 to no avail.

 

[datan]

Originally posted by gwyyn


And finally Iraq, hmmm wonder if anyone remebers on news about Sadam giving money to the family members of the suicide bombers of Hamas. Just wondering is this not supporting terrorism????

and the CIA gave weapons to Cuban dissidents and Iraqi Kurds. Isn't that supporting subversion????

 

[datan]

Originally posted by caley
i have a problem with the "god bless america" stuff because it seems there is an implied phrase at the end attempting to exclude all other countries from god's blessings.  i looked all over for a "god bless afghanistan" bumper sticker after 9-11 to no avail.

its a capitalist society: if you want them, make your own and sell 'em!

 

[caley]

as far as america bringing the attacks on itself, i think while the premise may be accurate, the language of the title of this thread is a little threatening. i believe that the attacks on the trade towers were unjustified because they were attacks on civilians. but america has a strong military presence in many countries in the middle east--a military presence that most people in those countries object to. consider how you would feel if there were chinese troops stationed in america, and you can start to get an idea of how people around the world must feel. the american government is in a constant state of bullying other countries around the world to make stuff a little easier for america. these countries are eventually going to retaliate. but i think killing civilians is completely wrong, however, so terrorist attacks are absolutely abhorrent. however, i also believe that killing civilians is wrong when america does it, too.

 

[datan]

except that those American troops are with the permission of the governments involved (who may or may not reflect the people's will)...

 

[alonesoldier]

Datan... wake up!! It is a military of the people, it follows the orders of elected officials. We don't have a rouge Army. The fact that you would even imply such a thing stips you of all credibility. Another sad example of a lefty unable to tell the difference between the United States and Iraq. I extend the same sentiment to Caley.

-Nicholas

 

[datan]

1. I resent your personal attacks. That's against forum rules. Does everyone who disagrees with your point of view "stripped of all credibility" and "sad examples"? Then I guess there's no point debating with you.

2. read my post carefully. I was remarking that the governments of the countries where the US has based its troops may not be reflecting their wills of their respective countries. Regardless of what I meant and what you understood, that's still no reason to make personal attacks on me and argue that simply because I make a statement you disagree with that I have no credibility.

 

[Blindfaith]

datan, alonesoldier is ready to ship out now and won't be back until he gets back on American soil unless he gets lucky and runs into a pc in the desert.

So........

From some of the posts that I've seen here in the News forum, this wasn't that bad.  But, if someone states that you have no credibility, and need to wake up in the future, I'll address them.

 

[Brimshack]

I think it's just a flanking maneuver myself. As soon as Alone gets to the desert, he's going to find a computer after all, and renew his offensives. Someday we're gonna log on, and he's going to have a whole new barrage of posts and threads. He'll be back, you just watch!

 

[datan]

yeah...hey at least he is in a situation where he is fighting for what he beliefs in--I'll give him that, and hope for his safe return.

 

[caley]

Originally posted by alonesoldier
Datan... wake up!! It is a military of the people, it follows the orders of elected officials. We don't have a rouge Army. The fact that you would even imply such a thing stips you of all credibility. Another sad example of a lefty unable to tell the difference between the United States and Iraq. I extend the same sentiment to Caley.

-Nicholas

Do not call me a lefty.

 

[luckiecharms]

No I dont think America brought the attack on itself. The attack was brought on by the Taliban who are jealous of our wealth, freedom, and power. They had no reason to hate us we have not done anything to them.

 

[caley]

Originally posted by luckiecharms
No I dont think America brought the attack on itself. The attack was brought on by the Taliban who are jealous of our wealth, freedom, and power. They had no reason to hate us we have not done anything to them.

The United States government has a long history of propping up unpopular governments in other countries and staging military operations in countries that don't want its involvement.  The terrorists could not care how free we are, or how wealthy.  They only see the American troops in their countries and hate the sight.

 

[Evangelion]

Amen to that, caley. Well said.

 

[Evangelion]

Hmmm.

I find it interesting that pre-9/11 America had no use for God, and the day after millions had "God bless America" signs. Why should God bless America? With television shows like "Temtation Island" and "Americal Idol", I can't see why He should.

Well said that man.

If only others had your perspective!