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Early Talmudic commentary suggests that the Serpent was originally interpreted as a literal snake, not a metaphysical force of evil. Judaism knows of the conflation of the Serpent and Satan, but has discarded the most obviously dualist concepts proto-Jewish folklore "borrowed" from the Zoroastrians.
Ramadan Kareem my friend!
This view is meant to justify the need for Christ. If we are capable of not being corrupted and without sin from birth, why the need for a Savior? In that case we could save ourselves on our own merit.If you hold that all people are basically corrupt by birth, how does this NOT turn Christianity into a misanthropic world view?
Yeah, sure, God saves *some* of us worthless refuse (by no merit of our own), but that doesn't really change the horrifyingly negative image of humanity at its heart.
Thank you. And yes, she is worth it. : )
I notice you're Presbyterian, and I tend toward Arminianism, so we're probably venturing into territory where we'll disagree.
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If we are born innocent and good, why aren’t there at least some people who have continued in this state and remained sinless? The fact that everybody sins needs some explanation. The best explanation is that we are sinners by nature. Someone might argue that the reason all people sin is because society is sinful, and thus society renders it impossible for anybody to keep themselves entirely pure. But that only pushes the question back one step. How did society get sinful in the first place? If people are born morally good, then how did it come about that they congregated into societies that influence all people to sin? If humanity is not born in sin, wouldn’t we expect there to be some people who have “beaten the odds” and never sinned?
That rumor is highly controversial and far from certain.
Sounds like she's got a great Mom.....or 'Mam' as we say in the Valleys!
im asking this question because there are many who believe that Adam is a dirty dog. Here is my reasoning to why they are not and were following the plan of God. Adam and Eve were placed in the garden of Eden. They were innocent of knowledge of good and evil. Satan was allowed to tempt them and Eve partook of the fruit and gave it to Adam. I believe that Adam and Eve disobeyed Gods law to not eat the fruit. God had told them not to eat of the fruit or they would die. Since there had not yet had death enter into the garden did they understand what the consequences of their choice? Since they did not know good and evil, could Adam and Eve understood what the law was and the consequences? They did disobey and as a result death came into the world. Sin also came into the world because of imperfection. I believe that to justice it does not matter if someone disobeys having full knowledge and understanding of the law broken or if someone is innocent of the law. It is still disobedience and there are consequences that must come as a result. The punishment is the same. Logic dictates that this was Gods plan all along because why would he allow satan to tempt them? Why would God place the tree of knowledge of good and evil for them to be tempted. I believe that God wanted Adam to eat the fruit so mortality would come to this earth as well so we could know good from evil. To experience the opposites of life so we could continue to progress. So to me Adam and Eve did not sin. They did transgress Gods law which had the same punishment.
No it doesn't....Romans 5 says Adam sinned.
I have always thought that Eve got a bad rap on that. I mean, she'd never been faced with a lie before...how could she know that the father of lies was standing before her? We who are surrounded with lies every day of our lives very often do not recognize them as lies...how can we judge this poor woman who listened to the first lie that was ever told?
the spiritual iniquity/lawlessness, albeit the most invisible, is the original sin, the very sin, and even the only, because it is the cause (and source) of all other iniquities and evils
initially it was done in the form of occultism/esoterism
Blessings
But that sounds like the sort of reasoning that also gave us a PERPETUALLY virginal Mary who was immaculately conceived.This view is meant to justify the need for Christ. If we are capable of not being corrupted and without sin from birth, why the need for a Savior? In that case we could save ourselves on our own merit.
That's just it....I have always thought that Eve got a bad rap on that. I mean, she'd never been faced with a lie before...how could she know that the father of lies was standing before her? We who are surrounded with lies every day of our lives very often do not recognize them as lies...how can we judge this poor woman who listened to the first lie that was ever told?
Somebody needs a dictionary...initially it was done in the form of occultism/esoterism
Thank you. I do what I can, with God's Grace.
She has not had the easiest life (her dad was an alcoholic; he left when she was 4 and died when she was 18), but that seems to have made her more resilient.
So you're one of those 'follow your heart' types? That's dangerous territory. Is it your belief that your heart is a compass inside of you that will direct you to your own true north if you just have the courage to follow it? Believing that your heart is a true guide and that it will lead you to true happiness if you just have the courage to listen to it is dangerous.Utter nonsense....
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