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That one is easy. It is a grammatical form known as the Royal We or Majestic Plural. God refers to Himself constantly in the Qur'an that way. We see it in the Baha'i Writings as well.
Good morning Catherineanne,
Just in case I've caused offence: I was only teasing yesterday when I said that you 'are an Anglican after all!'
Have a good day.
Can two or more Kings share the same Crown?
Nope. Just because someone does not know they are sinning, does not mean they are not sinning. Eg, a toddler who steals a toy might not know it is wrong to steal a toy. Yet, it is sin. They did not sin willingly though, as consistent with John 15:22. However, this leads us to the conclusion that we do sin without knowing that we are sinning, and that we cannot be held accountable for that sin as though we had sinned deliberately. If you think I am wrong, please go ahead and explain why you think that toddlers never sin. I am sue they do. If someone demands of another person, that is sin. Toddlers are demanding. Even babies are demanding. Though, they do not know that they sin, so they deserve some lenience compared to who is culpable.
You must understand that we are spirit beings. Our flesh is not who we are. I do NOT claim sinless perfection. When I sin, I know what I am doing. Deep inside it grieves me, although my flesh may enjoy it. That is what I mean when I say that we do not desire to sin. Our flesh will always want to sin. It is fallen. But who we really are (spirit, as God created us in HIS image ... and THEN formed a body for us) hates it.
Are you familiar with the life of Jesus?
It takes a lot more than that to offend me, Nibs.
Good day to you too. : )
You are correct.. It is only "your opinion" (imo) That Romans 5 says Adam sinned in the Garden.Is this LDS doctrine? Reading Romans 5 makes it crystal clear, imo, that Adam sinned.
I do not know how to respond because I do not know whether I'm one of those "follow your heart" persons or not, as I have no idea what you mean by "following your heart"?So you're one of those 'follow your heart' types? That's dangerous territory. Is it your belief that your heart is a compass inside of you that will direct you to your own true north if you just have the courage to follow it? Believing that your heart is a true guide and that it will lead you to true happiness if you just have the courage to listen to it is dangerous.
What is Christian doctrine is that Adam ceased to be an innocent the moment he disobeyed God.You are correct.. It is only "your opinion" (imo) That Romans 5 says Adam sinned in the Garden.
As we can see here on this thread, many others have differing opinions.
What is Mormon doctrine is that Innocents are not held accountable for the transgression of an Innocent.
True... However that does not answer the question as to whether Adams initial transgression was a sin or not, being as they did not understand the concept of right and wrong, nor did they understand the consequences either way.What is Christian doctrine is that Adam ceased to be an innocent the moment he disobeyed God.
I'm sorry, but I always laugh at any suggest that Christians don't sin or don't have the desire to sin. Where has this ever been true? Nowhere. Even very, very good Christians will make mistakes and I refuse, absolutely refuse, to believe anybody who tells me they don't sin. Guess what? You're pride might just be a sin if you do.
A sacrifice, contrary to some Christian theology, was not some magic charm where you could go sacrifice a goat or lamb and it was all good. In fact, when one reads Leviticus one might be surprised to note a lack of which sacrifice I'm supposed to bring if I, knowing it is a sin, light a candle on Shabbat. You can read it over and over again and you won't find it. Repentance, like the story of David when he sent the man to die so he could take his wife, was the key to that, not blood on an altar. It's in the text in black and white.
I've seen people try to do the whole Jesus is in the Tanach thing. They all fail miserably with me as I point out the context of the text and how it doesn't fit their view. They take a sentence here, a sentence there, and claim victory.
Innocent does mean that one is good or evil. It means their knowledge and understanding is lacking because they do not have experience. A little child can not sin because they do not have the capabilities to understand yet. The are not developed enough to sin. But they can disobey Gods laws. But they do so in innocence. Is God going to condemn them to hell? Why would Christ say that we were to become as a little child?
I do not know how to respond because I do not know whether I'm one of those "follow your heart" persons or not, as I have no idea what you mean by "following your heart"?
I'm afraid you will have to explain it further.
Do you equate following you heart with...
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I could go on, but I think you get the point... Please be more specific?
IMO scripture is pretty clear on this...True... However that does not answer the question as to whether Adams initial transgression was a sin or not, being as they did not understand the concept of right and wrong, nor did they understand the consequences either way.
True... However that does not answer the question as to whether Adams initial transgression was a sin or not, being as they did not understand the concept of right and wrong, nor did they understand the consequences either way.
Follow your heart means to act on the desires on your heart. Our hearts by default do not desire God, and they won't lead us to Him. They don’t tell us the truth, they just tell us what we want. They are not benevolent, they are pathologically selfish. In fact, if we do what our hearts tell us to do we will pervert and impoverish every desire, every beauty, every person, every wonder, and every joy. Our hearts want to consume these things for our own self-glory and self-indulgence.
You still have not given me your definition of what the heart is which I am supposedly following; even after a gave you a list to choose from.Follow your heart means to act on the desires of your heart. Our hearts by default do not desire God, and they won't lead us to Him. They don’t tell us the truth, they just tell us what we want. They are not benevolent, they are pathologically selfish. In fact, if we do what our hearts tell us to do we will pervert and impoverish every desire, every beauty, every person, every wonder, and every joy. Our hearts want to consume these things for our own self-glory and self-indulgence.
You still have not given me your definition of what the heart is which I am supposedly following; even after a gave you a list to choose from.
Sans a definition by you, a heart to me means an organ which pumps blood. It would be silly of me to follow that.
However because you are shying away from giving me a diffinition
My apologies for not defining heart for you, I made too many assumptions in not explaining it further. You can think of heart as self, or as BukiRob put it, the mind of desires that motivate you to do something. Current popular culture pushes the 'follow your heart' mantra, and this idea is incompatible with a Christian lifestyle. As a brother in Christ, I only mean to warn you not to get caught up in this popular calling to be led by your heart.You still have not given me your definition of what the heart is which I am supposedly following; even after a gave you a list to choose from.
Sans a definition by you, a heart to me means an organ which pumps blood. It would be silly of me to follow that.
However because you are shying away from giving me a definition of your own, then I can only assume you are using "heart" as some type of catch-all platitude to make it seem like you are saying something profound, when in fact all you are doing is spouting useless rhetoric which has no meaning nor gives any enlightenment to the conversation.
The fact that you insert Jesus into places you please doesn't invalid the very real fact that Jesus doesn't fit. (I can play that game too)HaMashiach is found clearly in the Hebrew Scriptures. The fact that you can not or refuse to see him there does not invalidate the very real fact that he is there.
The Tanak speaks plainly that the Jews of that time would reject Mashiach when he came. This can be found in Psalms, Isaiah and Zachariah.
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