Did Adam and eve's children sexually procreate through incest?

[mmksparbud]

Genesis 2:19
and Yhwh the Elohiym molded from the ground all the living ones of the field, and all the flyers of the skies, and he brought to the human to see what he will call out to him and all the living beings which the human will call out to him, that is his title,

ha'a'dam
the~HUMAN

I see no reason to carry this on with you--thanks for your input anyway.

 

[paloma22]

If you are a wooden headed biblical literalist, then yes; it was incest.

Next come the creative arguments to get God off the hook for allowing something (incest) He made necessary in the first place.

No need to be creative God probably saw that the cumulative effects of "incest" if allowed to go on would cause more problems than good, so He stopped it. It was needed at the beginning. Most likely from a genetic perspective but possibly from a social aspect as well. Its only "incest" if you have been told that its incest, prior to knowing this, it was normal human relations. Blessings

 

[4x4toy]

No other way to propagate the species. There were no genetic flaws to past down. The command to not marry close relatives was not given until Moses. Abraham was married to his 1/2 sister, Rachel was the daughter of his mother's brother, Rebekah was the daughter of Nahor, Abrhams brother.

I never got this .. The bible said that Terah had 3 sons Abram , Nahor and Haran .. No mention of other sons and daughters .. Abraham coached Sarah what to say , that she was his sister and that they really had the same father .. Now he could have been talking about God as their common father or him becoming son to her father at marriage .. The word kitha is translated sister/cousin ..

 

[mmksparbud]

I never got this .. The bible said that Terah had 3 sons Abram , Nahor and Haran .. No mention of other sons and daughters .. Abraham coached Sarah what to say , that she was his sister and that they really had the same father .. Now he could have been talking about God as their common father or him becoming son to her father at marriage .. The word kitha is translated sister/cousin ..

Yes He coached Sarah as to what to say--however---this verse is Abraham talking to the king and saying to him, yes, she is my sister, I was not lying, she in in reality, the daughter of my father, but not of my mother---she was his 1/2 sister.
It is not unusual for all the children to not be named--usually only the first 3 males are named unless they are important to the story being told--as with Jacob. The first 2 are usually always named, As with Cain and Abel, a third is added if one of the first 2 die--The eldest male is the inheritor and the second born becomes the inheritor is the first dies. Abel was killed, Cain was driven out--Seth was added to the narrative---they lived hundreds of years, no way these were the only children born. Sometimes it just says they had sons and daughters. Heran, died before Teran did
Gen 11:28 And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees.
Gen_22:23 And Bethuel begat Rebekah: these eight Milcah did bear to Nahor, Abraham's brother.
Gen_24:15 And it came to pass, before he had done speaking, that, behold, Rebekah came out, who was born to Bethuel, son of Milcah, the wife of Nahor, Abraham's brother, with her pitcher upon her shoulder.

It was Nahor that had 8 sons with Milcah--one of the 8 was Bethuel---Bethuel was the father of Rebekah--who married Isaac
Rachel was the daughter of

 

[4x4toy]

Yes He coached Sarah as to what to say--however---this verse is Abraham talking to the king and saying to him, yes, she is my sister, I was not lying, she in in reality, the daughter of my father, but not of my mother---she was his 1/2 sister.
It is not unusual for all the children to not be named--usually only the first 3 males are named unless they are important to the story being told--as with Jacob. The first 2 are usually always named, As with Cain and Abel, a third is added if one of the first 2 die--The eldest male is the inheritor and the second born becomes the inheritor is the first dies. Abel was killed, Cain was driven out--Seth was added to the narrative---they lived hundreds of years, no way these were the only children born. Sometimes it just says they had sons and daughters. Heran, died before Teran did
Gen 11:28 And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees.
Gen_22:23 And Bethuel begat Rebekah: these eight Milcah did bear to Nahor, Abraham's brother.
Gen_24:15 And it came to pass, before he had done speaking, that, behold, Rebekah came out, who was born to Bethuel, son of Milcah, the wife of Nahor, Abraham's brother, with her pitcher upon her shoulder.

It was Nahor that had 8 sons with Milcah--one of the 8 was Bethuel---Bethuel was the father of Rebekah--who married Isaac
Rachel was the daughter of

Check out Gen 11:26 and notice the others named starting at Gen 11:11 .. It looks it included other sons and daughters where applicable

 

[mmksparbud]

Oh---I posted the wrong one! I had started the one posted and I did something wrong and it disappeared and I did another--I had not finished the first one that is posted---what happened to the 2nd one?---
Yah--I said sometime it just says they had sons and daughters, the females are rarely named at all as it was a patriarchal society and females were not important! Sons only of a concubine would be sometimes mentioned if important--often not at all, they didn't count in the line of inheritance unless the males by the wife had all died.
Abraham had to fess up to the king about Sarah ad God had told him she was His wife.
Gen 20:10 And Abimelech said unto Abraham, What sawest thou, that thou hast done this thing?
Gen 20:11 And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.
Gen 20:12 And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
Gen 20:13 And it came to pass, when God caused me to wander from my father's house, that I said unto her, This is thy kindness which thou shalt shew unto me; at every place whither we shall come, say of me, He is my brother.

Sarah was probably the daughter by a concubine of Tera and would never have been mentioned if not for Abraham marrying her.

Oh yah--Rachel
Gen_29:10 And it came to pass, when Jacob saw Rachel the daughter of Laban his mother's brother, and the sheep of Laban his mother's brother, that Jacob went near, and rolled the stone from the well's mouth, and watered the flock of Laban his mother's brother.

Just one big happy family! All of them were close relatives, uncles and nieces--later prohibited.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Did Adam and eve's children have sex with each other in order to reproduce?

Maybe we should be asking: When in the history of mankind did incest first become a problem to be pondered on a moral level?

 

[4x4toy]

Did Adam and eve's children have sex with each other in order to reproduce?

Prov 25:2 .. It is the glory of God to conceal a matter , it is the glory of kings to search out a matter .. Sometimes there's information in what God does not say IMO .. I think God created mankind on the 6th day which included the garden of Eden .. Through out the Bible he speaks of people outside the main focus mentioned mostly when they cross roads with Israel or even before Israel ..

I think God created male and female and only instructed them to be fruitful and multiply, replenish (fill) the Earth and subdue it .. But he also created a garden intended for a man to work it and fellowship with him and a Law .. This man was a focus of his attention, God formed this man from the dust and breathed life into him , this man was unique .. No suitable helpmate was found for him so God created a woman unique for him from his own flesh ... No I don't believe Cain or Seth married their sister or mother .. Jehovah Jirah provided husbands and wives outside of Adam and Eve .. The clues are Cain went to Nod and picked up a chick to marry among other clues .. Nether did Seth have to marry a sister .. We do know that Eve is the mother of all the living .. Through Noah , Eve becomes mother of all the living .. Now once you get to 1rst cousins , marriage becomes lawful .. So Noah and his sons also are found within the law .. All races of man were created and all races were represented on the Ark .. Science shows mitochondrial and Y-chromosome evidence traces back to a single female and a severe bottle neck of males , Noah and his sons .. I even believe some men kinds may have not been chosen to be represented on the ark and became extinct .. Now all you folks don't get angry with me , but when I street witnessed I tried to be prepared with every answer I needed within the confine of scripture ..

 

[pat34lee]

The reason that did not create birth defects is that their DNA - their genome - had no errors in it at the start. So also their children had no defects - it took a few generations to get the mutations up to a level where family marriages were no longer viable.

It also took the removal of the protective
layer over the atmosphere at the time of
the flood to really begin genetic damage
which shortened the life spans within just
a few generations.

 

[4x4toy]

Oh---I posted the wrong one! I had started the one posted and I did something wrong and it disappeared and I did another--I had not finished the first one that is posted---what happened to the 2nd one?---
Yah--I said sometime it just says they had sons and daughters, the females are rarely named at all as it was a patriarchal society and females were not important! Sons only of a concubine would be sometimes mentioned if important--often not at all, they didn't count in the line of inheritance unless the males by the wife had all died.
Abraham had to fess up to the king about Sarah ad God had told him she was His wife.
Gen 20:10 And Abimelech said unto Abraham, What sawest thou, that thou hast done this thing?
Gen 20:11 And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.
Gen 20:12 And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
Gen 20:13 And it came to pass, when God caused me to wander from my father's house, that I said unto her, This is thy kindness which thou shalt shew unto me; at every place whither we shall come, say of me, He is my brother.

Sarah was probably the daughter by a concubine of Tera and would never have been mentioned if not for Abraham marrying her.

Oh yah--Rachel
Gen_29:10 And it came to pass, when Jacob saw Rachel the daughter of Laban his mother's brother, and the sheep of Laban his mother's brother, that Jacob went near, and rolled the stone from the well's mouth, and watered the flock of Laban his mother's brother.

Just one big happy family! All of them were close relatives, uncles and nieces--later prohibited.

Ha , peace bro .. Yes , Isaac was instructed to marry kin , his second cousin Rebecca granddaughter of Haran and Sarah was kin that's why I included Kitha in my first post as translated not only sister but sister or cousin .. In the New Testament Jesus genealogy occurred twice , Luke and Mathew and those days Joseph was recorded as married to Mary husband of Joseph , the other just son of .. Those days the husband became recognized as a legal son rather than a son in law .. One genealogy to Solomon and one to Nathan then both to David then back to Adam and Eve .. good conversation I love 7da teaching btw .. Veith , Batchlor are awesome

A lot of todays thought come from the Talmud .. While the Talmud may be profitable it is not necessarily inspired ..

 

[mmksparbud]

Ha , peace bro .. Yes , Isaac was instructed to marry kin , his second cousin Rebecca granddaughter of Haran and Sarah was kin that's why I included Kitha in my first post as translated not only sister but sister or cousin .. In the New Testament Jesus genealogy occurred twice , Luke and Mathew and those days Joseph was recorded as married to Mary husband of Joseph , the other just son of .. Those days the husband became recognized as a legal son rather than a son in law .. One genealogy to Solomon and one to Nathan then both to David then back to Adam and Eve .. good conversation I love 7da teaching btw .. Veith , Batchlor are awesome

A lot of todays thought come from the Talmud .. While the Talmud may be profitable it is not necessarily inspired ..

That's "sister!!!"----Have you tried the Mechanical Translation?---Pretty cool---http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/
They don't have the whole old testament yet, they're working on it.

 

[4x4toy]

That's "sister!!!"----Have you tried the Mechanical Translation?---Pretty cool---http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/
They don't have the whole old testament yet, they're working on it.

Sorry Sis , thanx for the website , I just put it in my favorites and I'll look through it later .. I've noticed a lot of your posts and think you're pretty much on target

 

[Tree of Life]

If you look up Adam in Gesenius, it is clear that the name is derived from the word for 'red' or 'blood' (Heb. dam).

Not really. אָדָם (adam) shares the same root with אֱדוֹם (Edom - red). But it is more likely related to the word אֲדָמָה (adamah) which means "ground". Adam was created from the dust of the ground.

 

[paloma22]

A lot of todays thought come from the Talmud .. While the Talmud may be profitable it is not necessarily inspired ..

Its most definitely not inspired that I can guarantee...do you know what the Talmud thinks of Jesus?

 

[4x4toy]

Its most definitely not inspired that I can guarantee...do you know what the Talmud thinks of Jesus? h

Ha , yes .. I was being extremely light ..

 

[Sketcher]

This thread is about Adam and Eve's children marrying. Literalist interpretation of Genesis creates a quandary in which they are forced to marry siblings and commit incest. Your solution is to say that God's moral laws changed. Hoist on your own petard.

So what exactly is the problem with God temporarily permitting something for a time and then no longer permitting it?

 

[Armoured]

Did Adam and eve's children have sex with each other in order to reproduce?

If you believe in a literal Adam and Eve, there aren't a lot of other options, are there?

 

[doctorwho29]

This thread is about Adam and Eve's children marrying. Literalist interpretation of Genesis creates a quandary in which they are forced to marry siblings and commit incest. Your solution is to say that God's moral laws changed. Hoist on your own petard.

God's morality did not change. He simply revealed more and more of it as it became relevant. If you read the Bible carefully, progressive revelation happens all the time. God reveals as much of Himself or His laws as His children are ready for at that point in time. Later, when we are ready to handle more of the truth, He reveals it. So it's not a change, it's simply slowly putting more pieces of the puzzle together. Think of when Jesus said that He did not come to abolish the law but to complete it. He was giving a more thorough interpretation of what was already there.

I honestly don't see what was wrong with the answer that Adam and Eve had no genetic flaws that would make incest a problem. God revealed a new aspect of His law, when it became useful for His children to know it (when genetic flaws began to develop).

 

[Armoured]

So what exactly is the problem with God temporarily permitting something for a time and then no longer permitting it?

Sounds like moral relativism...

 

[Sketcher]

Sounds like moral relativism...

Sounds like a bit of a stretch.