Did Adam and Eve have a belly button?

[Mike Elphick]

Sorry, but this has got to be one of the least important silliest threads I have ever ran across any type of forum

It's not just about belly buttons .

A functioning earth would have to have 'settled down' with seas, mountains, canyons and flowing water, functioning biological and hydrological cycles etc. So the young Earth creationist has to explain how such age or maturity (like tree rings) were built into a more-or-less instant creation.

It's only an issue with 6-day creationists and those who oppose them, like me .

 

[IndieVisible]

It's not just about belly buttons .

A functioning earth would have to have 'settled down' with seas, mountains, canyons and flowing water, functioning biological and hydrological cycles etc. So the young Earth creationist has to explain how such age or maturity (like tree rings) were built into a more-or-less instant creation.

It's only an issue with 6-day creationists and those who oppose them, like me .

I understand that. However what difference does it really make? Regardless what one believes, young earth, old earth, evolution, belly buttons. How does it effect my life today?

 

[British Bulldog]

I understand that. However what difference does it really make? Regardless what one believes, young earth, old earth, evolution, belly buttons. How does it effect my life today?

I think it has to do with whether adam and eve really existed, which has to do with the apple and the the serpent and the fall and sin, which in turn is why jesus had to be crucified. The idea is to knock the links out of the chain one by one. At least, that's my understanding of why apparently ludicrous subjects get debated. It's not really about belly buttons at all.

 

[Spiritlight]

Sorry, but this has got to be one of the least important silliest threads I have ever ran across any type of forum

That is because yesterday is gone forever. There is only today and tomorrow.

 

[IndieVisible]

That is because yesterday is gone forever. There is only today and tomorrow.

The silliness continues? Thank you

 

[IndieVisible]

I think it has to do with whether adam and eve really existed, which has to do with the apple and the the serpent and the fall and sin, which in turn is why jesus had to be crucified. The idea is to knock the links out of the chain one by one. At least, that's my understanding of why apparently ludicrous subjects get debated. It's not really about belly buttons at all.

Of course Adam and Eve really did exist and can be accepted no matter how you want to take it, old earth or young earth. For the old earth people, who usually also accept evolution, at some point man became man, received a greater self awareness, was able to reason deeper, evolved and became "like god". For the literal creationist, there was the garden and they had no belly buttons. Either way, it has minimal effect on any one today. It doesn't matter if the earth is 6000 years old or 4 billion years old.

Since I some how got dragged in to this, please some one explain how either belief effects me to day?

 

[Mike Elphick]

I understand that. However what difference does it really make? Regardless what one believes, young earth, old earth, evolution, belly buttons. How does it effect my life today?

It's not just your life, nor is it about today — it's about everyone's lives and the future.

Having been a scientist for most of my working life, I find the abuse of science by creationists an insult to my profession. Second, creationism fosters an anti-science attitude in the general public. But, most importantly, mixing religion and politics with bad science is a potent mixture with the potential to lead us into another dark age. You just have to look at the poll statistics from the United States that show how many people reject evolution in preference for a 6-day creation and the story of Adam and Eve. Besides, I dislike all types of fundamentalism.

So there !

 

[British Bulldog]

Of course Adam and Eve really did exist and can be accepted no matter how you want to take it, old earth or young earth. For the old earth people, who usually also accept evolution, at some point man became man, received a greater self awareness, was able to reason deeper, evolved and became "like god".

Sorry to be pedantic, but in what way are we like God? The only way that works is if we assume God is a bipedal ape whose conscious mind evolved in order to solve problems relating to food, sex and ensuring the survival of his genes and whose major function is making, hearing and understanding spoken language through the medium of sound vibrations in air. Is that what you mean by becoming like God?

 

[Jazer]

I think it has to do with whether adam and eve really existed, which has to do with the apple and the the serpent.

Adam and Eve existed because all people have a common ancestor. The Hebrew people like everyone else has a common ancestor. But Science can not tell you anything about the apple or the serpent. In fact I ask about every day for someone to show me the genetic mutation for the knowledge of good and evil and no one has showed me that mutation. So I guess we are stuck with the story of the snake and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil until Darwin comes up with a better explanation.

 

[British Bulldog]

Adam and Eve existed because all people have a common ancestor. The Hebrew people like everyone else has a common ancestor. But Science can not tell you anything about the apple or the serpent. In fact I ask about every day for someone to show me the genetic mutation for the knowledge of good and evil and no one has showed me that mutation. So I guess we are stuck with the story of the snake and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil until Darwin comes up with a better explanation.

You seriously don't know that there is a better explanation? Which rock have you been hiding under?

 

[IndieVisible]

Sorry to be pedantic, but in what way are we like God? The only way that works is if we assume God is a bipedal ape whose conscious mind evolved in order to solve problems relating to food, sex and ensuring the survival of his genes and whose major function is making, hearing and understanding spoken language through the medium of sound vibrations in air. Is that what you mean by becoming like God?

Able to reason deeper, self awareness. Sorry thought that was pretty obvious, but if one is looking to simply argue, forget about it, won't play that game, no time for silliness.

 

[Jazer]

Sorry to be pedantic, but in what way are we like God?

We are like God because we have wisdom, knowledge and understanding. I keep asking for someone to show me the genetic mutation that gives us this ability to understand what none of the other "bipedal apes" are able to understand. Even to know good and evil. Or at least even to think we know the difference between good and evil.

 

[IndieVisible]

It's not just your life, nor is it about today — it's about everyone's lives and the future.

Having been a scientist for most of my working life, I find the abuse of science by creationists an insult to my profession. Second, creationism fosters an anti-science attitude in the general public. But, most importantly, mixing religion and politics with bad science is a potent mixture with the potential to lead us into another dark age. You just have to look at the poll statistics from the United States that show how many people reject evolution in preference for a 6-day creation and the story of Adam and Eve. Besides, I dislike all types of fundamentalism.

So there !

So there what????

U have not explained how it effects any one's life except by saying it hurts your feelings. Sorry about your feelings but that is not th point here.

 

[British Bulldog]

Able to reason deeper, self awareness. Sorry thought that was pretty obvious, but if one is looking to simply argue, forget about it, won't play that game, no time for silliness.

Self-awareness is an interesting starting point. If you don't like the subject we don't have to discuss it, but self-awareness isn't exclusive to humans. It has evolved in other species too.

 

[British Bulldog]

We are like God because we have wisdom, knowledge and understanding. I keep asking for someone to show me the genetic mutation that gives us this ability to understand what none of the other "bipedal apes" are able to understand. Even to know good and evil. Or at least even to think we know the difference between good and evil.

You might want to forget good and evil for the time being as they are confusing you. You want to start with the development of language. That's where you'll find all the basis of self consciousness and the ability to put yourself in another person's mind. That is also where all the trouble starts, but we'll get onto that later.

 

[IndieVisible]

Self-awareness is an interesting starting point. If you don't like the subject we don't have to discuss it, but self-awareness isn't exclusive to humans. It has evolved in other species too.

I did say DEEPER didn't I?

 

[British Bulldog]

I did say DEEPER didn't I?

That's a matter of degree. Once we have established that self awareness isn't unique to humans then our claims to being godlike become just that: claims.

 

[IndieVisible]

That's a matter of degree. Once we have established that self awareness isn't unique to humans then our claims to being godlike become just that: claims.

Show me another animal besides man on this forum, then lets talk about uniqueness ok.

Here I am stuck with a scientist who's feelings are hurt and a atheist who just wants to argue and play on words lol. I will get bored here quick I see.

 

[British Bulldog]

Show me another animal besides man on this forum, then lets talk about uniqueness ok.

Here I am stuck with a scientist who's feelings are hurt and a atheist who just wants to argue and play on words lol. I will get bored here quick I see.

Self awareness is the starting point. It is the nascent quality that goes hand in hand with communication and leads eventually to people typing on this forum. (I will resist the obvious self-awareness gags that could be made at this point.) The point is that claiming your more advanced versions of this quality mean you are special is rather like someone with long running legs pointing at a small creature that only has small legs it can as yet only stumble clumsily forward on and saying "yes, but look at my wonderful long legs, clearly I am God-like." The length and the ability to run on them is not the issue. Once legs have arrived the rest can follow. We are not the only conscious species.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh, come on AV, we've been over this before when I joined CF . We all know you have a sort of thingy about "maturity without history" (a variation of embedded ageism), so you don't have an issue with it because you have convinced yourself .

I'm not the first to identified the problem. It was Phillip Henry Gosse who wrote a book about it:

No, he didn't write a book about it.

Gosse wrote about Omphalism, which is maturity with history.

I too disagree with Gosse.