Did Adam and Eve fall?

[sentipente]

You guys are just rationalizing what you believe instead of dealing with the text. The text has taken second place to church teachings.

 

[sentipente]

Evolution.

Evolution would have produced omnivores not carnivores.

 

[sentipente]

And how did they lose the extra stomachs that all herbivores have? I think we are grasping at straws here. Literally.

 

[Hentenza]

You guys are just rationalizing what you believe instead of dealing with the text. The text has taken second place to church teachings.

Nah, I read the text in Hebrew and other parts of scripture clarify Genesis 1 and 2. One can't divorce verses from their context. That would be bad hermeunetics.

 

[redeemedbychrist]

During World War II, lions in the zoo survived on plants since meat was rationed. This goes back prior to the Fall when all animals were vegetarians.

 

[OnlyBelieve]

In Genesis Adam is warned against eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, lest he die. The entire account presents a few problems.

After they eat the fruit God makes no mention of death. Instead he applies curses that were never mentioned in the beginning, giving the impression that what Adam and Eve did was not a violation of the command. As if to support that they are driven from the garden "lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever." Obviously, the penalty of death had not been imposed.

Is it possible that we have misinterpreted that passage?

Hi There,
I don't think there is mis-interpretation(is that a word?) anyway, God Clearly tells Adam, IF YOU EAT ITS FRUIT YOU WILL DIE.

Gensis 2:16 But the Lord God warned him, “You may freely eat the fruit of every tree in the garden—17 except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die.

Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your brow
will you have food to eat
until you return to the ground
from which you were made.
For you were made from dust,
and to dust you will return.”

So he does add curses but he has already told him he will die. The Lord only has to speak once, then he is bound by his word. Both Adam hearing and the Lord saying, are bound by the word. You see before the fall, we were not to die, but live in compaionship with God. After the fall, it says, "from dust you were made and dust you shall return." Thus, we will die and not live with God forever.

I hope this helps
God Bless You

It sure does, just like a child, they are not punished until they DO something wrong.
Adam and Eve Disobeyed God, Disobedience to GOD is why they died. Both spiritually and physically.
Yes, Good and Evil did exist before they ate. Satan was cast down from heaven.
Luke 10:18 “Yes,” he told them, “I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning!
This is why he was in the Serpent.
If they had not disobyed God, they would still be in fellowship with him.

The answers you wanted are all here, IN TEXT. Adam had fellowship with God, He knew what diobedience was, God created the animals, God KNEW man would fall, HE IS GOD. If you don't want to believe it, no-one can make you, or open your eyes. We can explain till blue in the face. All you have to do, is ask GOD to reveal it to you.
see ya

 

[sentipente]

Nah, I read the text in Hebrew and other parts of scripture clarify Genesis 1 and 2. One can't divorce verses from their context. That would be bad hermeunetics.

Adam did not have anything to read. I am not even dealing with the fact that the first humans did not know anything about agriculture so they could not tend a garden.

 

[Hentenza]

Evolution would have produced omnivores not carnivores.

Really? Then you need to study evolution. The early primates were herbivores not carnivores. Meat was a diet change.

 

[Hentenza]

Adam did not have anything to read. I am not even dealing with the fact that the first humans did not know anything about agriculture so they could not tend a garden.

The garden did not need tending. Adam did not have to live by his own labor until he was expelled from the garden. Have you read the chapters?

 

[sentipente]

The answers you wanted are all here, IN TEXT. Adam had fellowship with God, He knew what diobedience was, God created the animals, God KNEW man would fall, HE IS GOD. If you don't want to believe it, no-one can make you, or open your eyes. We can explain till blue in the face. All you have to do, is ask GOD to reveal it to you.
see ya

I have. He told me we have it wrong. The text is plain.

 

[redeemedbychrist]

Adam did not have anything to read. I am not even dealing with the fact that the first humans did not know anything about agriculture so they could not tend a garden.

Firstly before the fall there was little need to tend the garden

And afterwards they soon learnt what they did not already know. Their son Cain was a Tiller of the Ground. His father would have taught him all he knew

 

[sentipente]

The garden did not need tending. Adam did not have to live by his own labor until he was expelled from the garden. Have you read the chapters?

Are you saying they were not told to tend the garden?

 

[Hentenza]

Are you saying they were not told to tend the garden?

No. Adam was told to cultivate and keep the garden but the function is much different than after he was expelled.

 

[redeemedbychrist]

I agree with Hentezna

 

[cimbk]

But having eaten the fruit why separate them from the tree of life?

because the tree of life, gives life to who-ever eats it, they would still be alive today if they could of continued to eat from it

 

[sentipente]

because the tree of life, gives life to who-ever eats it, they would still be alive today if they could of continued to eat from it

That's like saying that the governor signs the death warrant but the warden does not execute the prisoner because the prisoner becomes his friend. That boat does not float. We are dodging.

 

[Hentenza]

That's like saying that the governor signs the death warrant but the warden does not execute the prisoner because the prisoner becomes his friend. That boat does not float. We are dodging.

Adam and eve did not eat from the tree of life. They ate from the tree of knowledge. Different tree. When they were expelled from the garden angels were posted to prevent them from reentering the garden and eat from the tree of life. The narration is in Gen. 3.

 

[sentipente]

Adam and eve did not eat from the tree of life. They ate from the tree of knowledge. Different tree. When they were expelled from the garden angels were posted to prevent them from reentering the garden and eat from the tree of life. The narration is in Gen. 3.

You missed the point. That precaution would not have been necessary if they were under a sentence of death.

 

[cimbk]

That's like saying that the governor signs the death warrant but the warden does not execute the prisoner because the prisoner becomes his friend. That boat does not float. We are dodging.

I don't understand what you mean, speak plainly. they were kicked out of the garden, the garden is where the tree of life was, once they could no longer partake of it they started to die......personally I don't hold to the theory that nothing died, as if Adam and Eve never accidently stepped on an ant or a bug, or seen a bird eat a worm. from scripture we see the tree of life as the only source for eternal life, unless all the animals were fed from it, I don't think we can equate eternal life for everything God created, making the jump from the garden to where they started raising kids, we see animal sacrifices already at work so I find it hard to believe they didn't understand death.

 

[Hentenza]

You missed the point. That precaution would not have been necessary if they were under a sentence of death.

Sentipente, I got the point but I continue to argue that the point is irrelevant. Adam died spiritually immediately and physically about 900 years later. The sentence was carried out.