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Interesting that it is indeed those christians that go to church that you will have to fight with... and as it was pointed out somewhere (wish I could find that post again) that often church stunts our growth as opposed to empowering us to go and get busy living as God would have us live....FLANDIDLYANDERS said:Nice rant breezy.
I find many people feel uncomfortablke or threatened when they say "what church do you go to" and I say, "oh, we murdered our church", or "as a church we have become unchurched in order to church it with the non-church" (if you can riddle that one out, it's pretty much what I'm about!).
Persoanlly I was shocked to start with because EVERY non-christian I have explained my position to will say, "well of course, church meetings and buildings are irrlevant and nothing to do with God - that's why I don't go there!". I ONLY HAD TROUBLE WITH THE CHRISTIAN'S!! But ot all, of course! Some are patronising, some see us as backsliders! Some get it, and wish us luck or ask how to be involved.
Either way, my point is that christians, especially those in religious denominations that have to fight with the beliefs and practices of other denominations or even religions!, will usually be threatened by matter-of-fact personal experience. And usually call it unBiblical to base something on common-sense, without proof-texting it!
And don't get me started on proof-texting! I think Phelps is the best proof-texter about at the moment, and look at what his lot do!!!!!
Flanny out.
StormyOne said:Interesting that it is indeed those christians that go to church that you will have to fight with... and as it was pointed out somewhere (wish I could find that post again) that often church stunts our growth as opposed to empowering us to go and get busy living as God would have us live....
discernomatic said:I recently had a traumatic experience that kept me out of a church when I thought I finally had "come home" after many years of being away from them. Have you had one? If it is not fit to print here because of the restrictions you may send it to me via my website. Just click on my profile and then the site link. I will definitely handle it discreetly. If you want it posted on my site anonymously, I will consider posting it. I have some links to organizations that help in such matters but am looking for more. If you can help me in that way (you will be helping others as well), please send me a mail.
Nflite said:I found the links for ya.
The Transforming Church: G12 Testimony
Part One www.banner.org.uk/apostasy/G12testimony.htm
Part Two www.banner.org.uk/apostasy/G12testimony2.htm
Or whether to euthenise the dying body in order to spread the healthcare to those who really need it!heron said:we have to decide whether we value comfort or the health of the Body.
heron said:I believe that the changes your members made were of God, but I also believe that people's choice to attend a traditional church is of God.
New_Wineskin said:I do consider that *some* are in those settings because they have asked the Lord what to do and were willing to go nowhere if He so said . But , most are in those settings because of doctrine .
Gone for a few days and all hell breaks loose...breezynosacek said:Thanks guys...and yeah, I know it was a rant. I even thought about coming back and deleting it, but I'm getting pretty fed up with turn the other cheek so that someone can continue to spout something that isn't even rational and then shut my mouth about it as if I was the one that was a false teacher.
Sorta have issues about that. Learning when to stand for what I've said and when to let others go on being blind or misguided and when to allow others to be wrong. I don't like debate, never have. I don't know that it does the hearers much good. But, when somebody wrongly accuses me or tries to put words in my mouth, I quit standing there like a dumb deer in the headlights.
ffinder said:Maybe,
I had a personal traumatic experience that had nothing to do with the church i was attending but somehow immediately after that my eyes were opened and i saw the failures and wrong teachings of my church.................
But the joy in our little house church.. oh!
No pastor or pastor controlled church can give that..........
But a traumatic experience probably helped cause before that i was a fanatic of that church to the point i cut myself off from ppl that spoke against their teachings.
In Christ,
Carlos.
Already in prayer, breezy.breezynosacek said:I'm asking that you keep praying for our group. One of our members mother discovered ..........We are dealing with a lot of wounded people. So, if you could keep us on your permanent prayer list, I would personally feel very grateful to have that backup.
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