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Did a traumatic experience make you unchurched?

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I recently had a traumatic experience that kept me out of a church when I thought I finally had "come home" after many years of being away from them. Have you had one? If it is not fit to print here because of the restrictions you may send it to me via my website. Just click on my profile and then the site link. I will definitely handle it discreetly. If you want it posted on my site anonymously, I will consider posting it. I have some links to organizations that help in such matters but am looking for more. If you can help me in that way (you will be helping others as well), please send me a mail.
 

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Yes,

We left our church after 7 years of extreme faithfullness. During the last year or so we started seeing changes in the church and started asking questions...


We are now recovering from what we call "spiritual abuse". We have come to see that we were in a very abusive, controlling church. The wounds are very deep. We have tried to visit other churches... one we even attending for a while and there was some interesting things that happened there.


So for now, we are home, resting, spending time with my immediate family and making up for some lost time.


We are not sure if we even believe in "church" anymore. A lot of church stuff seems to contradict the bible. If I heard anyone print what I just said a few years ago I would have thought them a heretic.

I am tired now, but I will most more details about what we endured.

Jane
 
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I have~ I've experienced some of that with my old church years ago...pretty much of the blame was on the pastors (wife and husband)

I'm between churches, but lately, everywhere I turn, the focus is on how many people they can gather and how much tithes they can get out of people attending. blech.

And this is what I don't get-- and I think it had to do with power and control:

why build a bigger building, when a home church would just do? the problem is with the home church(es) and the loss of control over them...much more easier to have everyone in the same building. Smaller home groups are fine, so long they follow the church's guidelines. How nice of them to be in control. :sick:

I'm still looking for a home church, and I'm a bit shy to even start one! :(
 
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discernomatic said:
I recently had a traumatic experience that kept me out of a church when I thought I finally had "come home" after many years of being away from them. Have you had one? If it is not fit to print here because of the restrictions you may send it to me via my website. Just click on my profile and then the site link. I will definitely handle it discreetly. If you want it posted on my site anonymously, I will consider posting it. I have some links to organizations that help in such matters but am looking for more. If you can help me in that way (you will be helping others as well), please send me a mail.

Actually it was a traumatic experience that brought my family out of the institutional "church". We have grown to see it as a blessing with many unique opportunities for spiritual growth in Christ.

Remember, Paul's conversion was traumatic to him.
 
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Hisrosebud said:
Yes,

We left our church after 7 years of extreme faithfullness. During the last year or so we started seeing changes in the church and started asking questions...


We are now recovering from what we call "spiritual abuse". We have come to see that we were in a very abusive, controlling church. The wounds are very deep. We have tried to visit other churches... one we even attending for a while and there was some interesting things that happened there.


So for now, we are home, resting, spending time with my immediate family and making up for some lost time.


We are not sure if we even believe in "church" anymore. A lot of church stuff seems to contradict the bible. If I heard anyone print what I just said a few years ago I would have thought them a heretic.

I am tired now, but I will most more details about what we endured.

Jane
Thank you Jane for your input. When you have time, your testimony could be a help to others if you could post it. If it is not appropriate here, don't hesitate in sending it to me directly.

Love, encouragement and comfort in Jesus Christ,

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Thank you all for your input and I sincerely hope that you find encouragement and comfort. Watchman7 mentioned that his family has grown in Christ because of it. Let us encourage one another. That is what the body of Christ is for. Even if we are not always together with others, we are united in Him. :groupray: Jesus never lets us alone. "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?......neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:33,39. I encourage you to read that whole piece.

Go ahead and keep posting on this thread! The more the merrier!

Love and encouragement to all,

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After we left our church of over 7 years, we searched for another church. My husband and I were afraid of being "lone rangers". We were taught that if you weren't "plugged in" to a body (they meant, their church) that it was only a matter of time before you became "shipwrecked"--that is you would be decieved by Satan and walk away from your faith and make a disaster of your "walk". (hmmm, bible tells me that Jesus is the author, begininer and finisher of our faith).

So we visited another church. It was more insane. To make a long story short, the Pastor was "told by God" to return home to California. (we live in Connecticut) He put out an "ad" for other pastors in training for this denomination. Another couple from the south answered this ad. The current pastor announced to the church (while introducing them for the first time) that they were going to return to California after they sold their house. They announced that this new couple was sent to us by God to now take this church.

After only a few months, maybe 3; the new pastor and his wife went behind the current pastors' back to their old leadership--long story short--they manipulated the current pastor out of his position. So we are in this church, maybe for only a month and watch the current pastor tell his congregation that he was asked to step down by leadership of the denomination. The church is in tears, splits in front of our very eyes. Most go with the old pastor--2 or 3 families go with the new. (one family actually attended bible studies with both churches).

The old pastor is now "told by God" that he is not to go to California. That in fact God told him to do all of this to "expose the new pastor and his wife" for their evil intent to fleece God's people.

However, the denomination kept the new pastor and his wife having apparently been trying to "oust" this old pastor for a while.

The new pastor and his wife were extremely sexist and racist. They did not take the time to get to know people from around this area. They built a new group of people up and have been leading this church since September of this year.

A couple that we know who stayed with him just told me this week that last Sunday, the new pastor and his wife have been "told by God" to go to Washinton State. They are closing down the church.

So basically this new pastor and his wife were called by God to come to our state to split a church body???? and then leave a group of people without a "home"???

the old pastor is calling all those people to come join his church, now not affiliated with any denomination.

AND OH YEAH, we went with the old pastor. He lost his job in November. We were told that he was a cabinet maker. We hired him to do our kitchen. He gave us an estimate, was going to be done before christmas, we bought the supplies and paid him most of his money. He has left the job undone, refuses to return our calls and we are stuck. With out money to hire someone else and with cabinets all open, counter half in stalled.....


TRAUMATIC? This was after we left our abusive church.

We bought a "fixer upper" because we believe that we heard from God a long time ago to build a dream that we call Hannah's Haven. It will be a home for foster/adoptive children with special needs. Our home has 6 bedrooms and land around it. We are doing most of the work ourselves, money is tight. We were hoping to be licensed by the fall--now with the kitchen; I guess it is in "God's Hands"--what ever that means, I don't know anymore.

I am tired of people doing things that are dysfunctional, hurtful, spiteful all in His name. I am becoming to believe that this very thing; this division amonst His people and claiming "He said" is the very abomination at the alter that is spoke of....


and I am doubting that I ever heard from God to build Hannah's Haven....seems like a lot of people think that they "hear from God". Maybe we just all need a little prozac.

This is the fruit in my life of this experience that happened after we left the spiritually abusive church.

Love,

Jane
 
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Wow! I'm sorry about the whole trouble. I was involved in a church split up a long time ago and saw more about how the Holy Spirit does not work than about how he works. I'm glad for you, though that through this you were able to find a ministry opportunity to show God's love and mercy to others. Thanks for sharing your story.

Love,

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We (my spouse and I ) decided after 10 years of service to God at our local church, to not particpate in the "new program."
We wanted to focus on our family. The new program would have caused us to have 6 meetings a week if everyone in our home participated.
I was told that if I did not particpate I was no longer able to serve in the department I was currently in.
I told them okay.
We decided that we no longer want to fellowship at a ministry that was so "heavy handed." We recognize that our very lives are in the hands of God. Those relationships that we are suppose to have will remain, those that don't, won't.
We are free to fulfill the purpose God has for our lives. We will visit other churches and we are interested in Home Church settings also.
Because of the Cross,
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newday said:
The new program would have caused us to have 6 meetings a week if everyone in our home participated.
I was told that if I did not particpate I was no longer able to serve in the department I was currently in.
I told them okay.
We decided that we no longer want to fellowship at a ministry that was so "heavy handed." We recognize that our very lives are in the hands of God. Those relationships that we are suppose to have will remain, those that don't, won't.
Newday

Goodness! Six meetings a week were the requirement? That certainly does not sound biblical. Even if we look at examples of the new testament churches, there is nothing there saying that we must meet even once a week much less six times. That sounds more like control than like good Christian living. Someone I know had to give up teaching bible classes at their local church because they disagreed with the new program and eventually had to find another church to attend. The church they go to now is partly made up of former members from the surrounding churches starting new programs. In their particular case it was Rick Warren's program. He wrote Purpose Driven Church and Purpose Driven Life. You can find an account of their situation in an article on my website entitled, "Is Church Membership Really Necessary?" Just go to my profile and click on the link.

Could you mention the name of the new program or send it to me in a PM?

I sincerely pray that you find another community that holds the love and mercy of God and the family higher than church regulations and that God gives you the strength to overcome all your troubles. :prayer:

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The name of the program is Government of 12. To my understanding this is how it works:
A member goes to two post-encounter meetings. Then after that a member goes on an "encounter." This is a weekend trip that the member has to pay for. After that the member is required to go to 10 post-encounter meetings. After those are done the member has to pay to go to the "School of Leaders." I believe this is a 30 week program that consists of homework, exams, etc.
During the "School of Leaders," the member is required to participate in a home cell group once a week.
After a while (I'm not sure about the length of time or if it is at the leader's discretion), the member is required to hold a home cell group.
This would mean for my family since there are 3 of us that each of us would be required to attend a home cell group once a week as well as hold one in our home.
I'm not saying it is a "bad" program. It may actually benefit somebody.
But as for my home and family, it would not work.
Because of the Cross,
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newday said:
The name of the program is Government of 12.
I'm not saying it is a "bad" program. It may actually benefit somebody.
But as for my home and family, it would not work.
Have already heard something about the G12. Tricia Tillin of Banner Ministries has a testimony on her site of someone who had a bad experience with it. She is of the opinion that it cannot benefit anyone, and from what I have heard so far, I think she is right. Some people need counseling after leaving the G12 program because it uses some methods that cults do to manipulate people and has some of the same effects on the psyche as a cult environment can have.
 
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newday said:
The name of the program is Government of 12. To my understanding this is how it works:
A member goes to two post-encounter meetings. Then after that a member goes on an "encounter." This is a weekend trip that the member has to pay for. After that the member is required to go to 10 post-encounter meetings. After those are done the member has to pay to go to the "School of Leaders." I believe this is a 30 week program that consists of homework, exams, etc.
During the "School of Leaders," the member is required to participate in a home cell group once a week.
After a while (I'm not sure about the length of time or if it is at the leader's discretion), the member is required to hold a home cell group.
This would mean for my family since there are 3 of us that each of us would be required to attend a home cell group once a week as well as hold one in our home.
I'm not saying it is a "bad" program. It may actually benefit somebody.
But as for my home and family, it would not work.
Because of the Cross,
Newday
Looks like a pyramid scheme with the intial people adding the scemes of cults . Mix well and this is what it looks like .
 
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discernomatic said:
Have already heard something about the G12. Tricia Tillin of Banner Ministries has a testimony on her site of someone who had a bad experience with it. She is of the opinion that it cannot benefit anyone, and from what I have heard so far, I think she is right. Some people need counseling after leaving the G12 program because it uses some methods that cults do to manipulate people and has some of the same effects on the psyche as a cult environment can have.

Could you give me the name of the site. I would be interested in reading the information. Even though we have left that particular ministry, I still have people there that I care about.
Thanks,
Newday
 
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