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Hi all. I've been shying away from the BP forums for a while, but curiosity brings me to ask a question: How many of you had an experience similar to mine? (Obviously, I'll need to tell you what my experience has been.)

As best as I can reconstruct what has happened to me, my mood disturbances began close to when I was 15. They may have begun earlier, but the only evidence I have for that is that I was socially very awkward, which I can chalk up to how much my parents sheltered me from the kinds of influences most of my non-Christian peers were exposed to. The most compelling evidence I can find for age 15 is that that was the first time I can remember having a spell of obsessive anger. Namely, I had read R. A. Heinlein's Starship Troopers and I was enraged that nobody else I knew seemed to comprehend what a brilliant idea it would be to introduce Heinlein's utopian form of government.

From there, the last 10 years become increasingly blurry. Something that I'm coming to appreciate now that I've removed a few stressors from my life and my mind has had the chance to adjust, is that when your mood becomes unresponsive to the environment, it can't make those continuous minor adjustments that most other people's brains are making in conversation, or during highly emotional events. In other words, just about every significant event of my life during the past 10 years, including my marriage and my wife divorcing me, has been no more or less significant to me that facts you would memorize from a textbook. And conversation was incredibly boring to me, because I couldn't detect the different shades of mood behind the other person's words.

I also assumed that everybody else's minds functioned like mine, so I was constantly angry because I was convinced that everybody was faking their emotional reactions. The emotions that everybody expressed over 9/11 during the entire month after it happened were lost on me. It was melodrama to me: a TV soap opera where the actors were so bad at their jobs that I couldn't understand why it was still on the air. Why was I supposed to care about what happened to 3000 people I'd never even met before? In my high school English class we were given the assignment of writing poems, with illustrations, about 9/11 that were to be displayed in the case at the school's entrance. I wrote a screed about how transparently hypocritical everyone was being about the tragedy. When I think about it today that that poem was on display up there for about a month, for everybody to see that I wrote it, it's a sad moment for me. You might begin to understand why my wife left me--and the odd thing about that, again, is that the only emotional impact that leaves on me today is that it undermines my general faith in people, because my wife figured out something was wrong with me and left me hanging out to dry anyway.

It's been 10 years since the show Firefly was canceled from FOX, and I had watched it when it first aired. I loved that show, but not for any of the reasons that made it great. For some reason, its costumes and set design put me a more tolerable mood. Years later, it started to lose its luster as my moods became worse and worse. A few months ago, I thought about getting rid of my DVDs, but never did. Then, on a whim, I started watching them Friday night. I realized pretty quick into the pilot episode that 90% of the show had gone over my head. The whole point of the show is to highlight the interactions between the characters, which I could never follow before for the same reason that conservations bored me.

You know what that's like? Waking up one morning and realizing that everything you've been striving for during the last 10 years has been based on a misunderstanding of human nature? It's like in Flowers for Algernon when Charlie finally reaches a level of intelligence where he can understand that he was the butt of every joke back when he was still mentally r3tarded. You know what it's like going for 10 years not wanting to be a elitist snob but never being able to escape the feeling that you are the only one on the planet who comprehends the sheer hypocrisy and emotional immaturity of everyone, and building elaborate theories about why that is, only to find out one day that it was all a misunderstanding? Imagine it. Living with the constant back-and-forth: yes, they really are all that hypocritical; no, no, I need to be more sensitive and try to having feelings like theirs; wait, I was right the first time, and they really are that hypocritical. It's kind of an anti-climax to discover that both answers were right.

Has that been anyone else's experience, who has bipolar? I know I can't be the only one.
 
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Hm not sure if this relates at all but for a while now I have been living with the shame of realizing how socially immature I have been all my life and dealing with the embarrassing memories to prove it. I honestly thought I was just a naive person but now see how pathetic I have looked for so many years. I know I have known it to some degree all along but lately the reality of it really hurts.
 
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I know the turmoil BP can bring to your life. From the time you were a child to you prob felt you were different but everything in you made you try and convince yourself that other people thought the same as you.

I know what it's like to hang on to sanity I wasn't in control of. I know what it's like to feel as if I was in control and then not at times. I have always been intelligent but on the edge of loosing it.

BP makes me different and there are things I can do, ways to live my life so it's manageable and beneficial. I had symptoms when I was young, biting, bed wetting, thoughts in my head, the feeling like the world was on my shoulders. There still is a lot of crazy in my head but understanding it helps as well as treatment.
 
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Hi all. I've been shying away from the BP forums for a while, but curiosity brings me to ask a question: How many of you had an experience similar to mine? (Obviously, I'll need to tell you what my experience has been.)

As best as I can reconstruct what has happened to me, my mood disturbances began close to when I was 15. They may have begun earlier, but the only evidence I have for that is that I was socially very awkward, which I can chalk up to how much my parents sheltered me from the kinds of influences most of my non-Christian peers were exposed to. The most compelling evidence I can find for age 15 is that that was the first time I can remember having a spell of obsessive anger. Namely, I had read R. A. Heinlein's Starship Troopers and I was enraged that nobody else I knew seemed to comprehend what a brilliant idea it would be to introduce Heinlein's utopian form of government.

From there, the last 10 years become increasingly blurry. Something that I'm coming to appreciate now that I've removed a few stressors from my life and my mind has had the chance to adjust, is that when your mood becomes unresponsive to the environment, it can't make those continuous minor adjustments that most other people's brains are making in conversation, or during highly emotional events. In other words, just about every significant event of my life during the past 10 years, including my marriage and my wife divorcing me, has been no more or less significant to me that facts you would memorize from a textbook. And conversation was incredibly boring to me, because I couldn't detect the different shades of mood behind the other person's words.

I also assumed that everybody else's minds functioned like mine, so I was constantly angry because I was convinced that everybody was faking their emotional reactions. The emotions that everybody expressed over 9/11 during the entire month after it happened were lost on me. It was melodrama to me: a TV soap opera where the actors were so bad at their jobs that I couldn't understand why it was still on the air. Why was I supposed to care about what happened to 3000 people I'd never even met before? In my high school English class we were given the assignment of writing poems, with illustrations, about 9/11 that were to be displayed in the case at the school's entrance. I wrote a screed about how transparently hypocritical everyone was being about the tragedy. When I think about it today that that poem was on display up there for about a month, for everybody to see that I wrote it, it's a sad moment for me. You might begin to understand why my wife left me--and the odd thing about that, again, is that the only emotional impact that leaves on me today is that it undermines my general faith in people, because my wife figured out something was wrong with me and left me hanging out to dry anyway.

It's been 10 years since the show Firefly was canceled from FOX, and I had watched it when it first aired. I loved that show, but not for any of the reasons that made it great. For some reason, its costumes and set design put me a more tolerable mood. Years later, it started to lose its luster as my moods became worse and worse. A few months ago, I thought about getting rid of my DVDs, but never did. Then, on a whim, I started watching them Friday night. I realized pretty quick into the pilot episode that 90% of the show had gone over my head. The whole point of the show is to highlight the interactions between the characters, which I could never follow before for the same reason that conservations bored me.

You know what that's like? Waking up one morning and realizing that everything you've been striving for during the last 10 years has been based on a misunderstanding of human nature? It's like in Flowers for Algernon when Charlie finally reaches a level of intelligence where he can understand that he was the butt of every joke back when he was still mentally r3tarded. You know what it's like going for 10 years not wanting to be a elitist snob but never being able to escape the feeling that you are the only one on the planet who comprehends the sheer hypocrisy and emotional immaturity of everyone, and building elaborate theories about why that is, only to find out one day that it was all a misunderstanding? Imagine it. Living with the constant back-and-forth: yes, they really are all that hypocritical; no, no, I need to be more sensitive and try to having feelings like theirs; wait, I was right the first time, and they really are that hypocritical. It's kind of an anti-climax to discover that both answers were right.

Has that been anyone else's experience, who has bipolar? I know I can't be the only one.

Hi, I don't really know your background and experiences re: bpd, but out of curiosity, i was just wondering if you could expand more on what you mean by finding out that all was based on misunderstanding. Have you ever had others in your life think that you didn't seem to have empathy/sympathy? Have you had struggles understanding or reading other people's emotions or reactions to things you didn't feel the same way about? Have people ever think of you as being cold, calloused or rude? I'm not saying you are any of these things or interpreting you in this way, but i was just wondering if these were things people through out your life ever said to you. Also, regarding things like humor, sarcasm and taking things literally....have you ever felt that what others thought as humorous, you didn't ....or when people made jokes or sarcastic remarks, did you feel offended by them or take them as a slight? There's a reason i'm asking these questions, but i was just wondering if other people in your life ever interpreted you in this way?
 
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I'm bipolar, too, but I don't understand where you folks are coming from! I've always felt an extreme sensitivity to people. Read Pearl Buck's description of the artist and you get a sense of what it is really like being bipolar for folks like me.

It isn't that we don't understand; it's that we just naturally see things differently from other people. I see it as the way life is. I've had the highs and lows and been medicated and now need very little medication--just 10 mg. Prozac once daily--and would like not to have to take that. But I'm resigned to it.

Kay Jamison Redfield describes it very clearly in "Touched With Fire"; trouble is the
fire dwindles as we get older and the embers leave one not caring too much what other folks think, just so long as they remain true to themselves and to me when we meet, it's O.K.

Besides all that, I have a religious view of life to meet my needs primarily, and it
does so.

Hope all is well with everyone.

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I've been in recovery for bipolar now for about 12 years give or take so yes I know what it's like to look back on all the foolish things I did when I was symptomatic. There are people in the world who will always believe I was the most pathetic person they ever met. My experience with BPD has been one of abject humiliation and it's only now that I have recovered enough self-respect to talk about it.

Today I tell people my story of recovery and it's like "yeah, right buddy...." as if they don't believe that anyone who ended up like me could have started out like that. I remember as clearly as yesterday's breakfast the thought process 12 years ago which led me to meticulously destroy a 100K a year career for which I'd trained my whole life. I remember just as clearly the warped logic of my paranoia which governed years 3 and 4.

Yeah OP, I know what it's like.
 
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I've been in recovery for bipolar now for about 12 years give or take so yes I know what it's like to look back on all the foolish things I did when I was symptomatic. There are people in the world who will always believe I was the most pathetic person they ever met. My experience with BPD has been one of abject humiliation and it's only now that I have recovered enough self-respect to talk about it.

Today I tell people my story of recovery and it's like "yeah, right buddy...." as if they don't believe that anyone who ended up like me could have started out like that. I remember as clearly as yesterday's breakfast the thought process 12 years ago which led me to meticulously destroy a 100K a year career for which I'd trained my whole life. I remember just as clearly the warped logic of my paranoia which governed years 3 and 4.

Yeah OP, I know what it's like.

When you say "recovery", do you mean you are no longer symptomatic at all without meds, or are you on meds which have stabilized you and therefore no longer symptomatic?
 
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I'm bipolar, too, but I don't understand where you folks are coming from! I've always felt an extreme sensitivity to people. Read Pearl Buck's description of the artist and you get a sense of what it is really like being bipolar for folks like me.

It isn't that we don't understand; it's that we just naturally see things differently from other people. I see it as the way life is. I've had the highs and lows and been medicated and now need very little medication--just 10 mg. Prozac once daily--and would like not to have to take that. But I'm resigned to it.

Kay Jamison Redfield describes it very clearly in "Touched With Fire"; trouble is the
fire dwindles as we get older and the embers leave one not caring too much what other folks think, just so long as they remain true to themselves and to me when we meet, it's O.K.

Besides all that, I have a religious view of life to meet my needs primarily, and it
does so.

Hope all is well with everyone.

Genetic

That was a great book. The correlation between mania and creativity was fascinating particularly because i'm an artist and often produce my best work and/or a lot more work when manic. It was also cool to discover that a lot of my favorite poets and artists that i've always gravitated to turned out to be bipolar. "An unquiet mind" was a great book too, i really identified with her especially the part where she lamented how the one thing she depended on, "her mind", had turned against her. (she was referring to this in the context of a depressed episode). People have this idea that artists---"the tortured artist" image that is, that they express their art while in depressed states. Quite the opposite i think. During my depressions i become brain dead and inert and all my desires to create or feel creative just vanish. That's one of the worst parts of my depressive episodes for me---the boredom, the lack of creative or critical thinking. It's as if that part of me becomes a faint memory that won't return.
Are you an artist or have creative tendencies?
 
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Hi all. I've been shying away from the BP forums for a while, but curiosity brings me to ask a question: How many of you had an experience similar to mine? (Obviously, I'll need to tell you what my experience has been.)

As best as I can reconstruct what has happened to me, my mood disturbances began close to when I was 15. They may have begun earlier, but the only evidence I have for that is that I was socially very awkward, which I can chalk up to how much my parents sheltered me from the kinds of influences most of my non-Christian peers were exposed to. The most compelling evidence I can find for age 15 is that that was the first time I can remember having a spell of obsessive anger. Namely, I had read R. A. Heinlein's Starship Troopers and I was enraged that nobody else I knew seemed to comprehend what a brilliant idea it would be to introduce Heinlein's utopian form of government.

From there, the last 10 years become increasingly blurry. Something that I'm coming to appreciate now that I've removed a few stressors from my life and my mind has had the chance to adjust, is that when your mood becomes unresponsive to the environment, it can't make those continuous minor adjustments that most other people's brains are making in conversation, or during highly emotional events. In other words, just about every significant event of my life during the past 10 years, including my marriage and my wife divorcing me, has been no more or less significant to me that facts you would memorize from a textbook. And conversation was incredibly boring to me, because I couldn't detect the different shades of mood behind the other person's words.

I also assumed that everybody else's minds functioned like mine, so I was constantly angry because I was convinced that everybody was faking their emotional reactions. The emotions that everybody expressed over 9/11 during the entire month after it happened were lost on me. It was melodrama to me: a TV soap opera where the actors were so bad at their jobs that I couldn't understand why it was still on the air. Why was I supposed to care about what happened to 3000 people I'd never even met before? In my high school English class we were given the assignment of writing poems, with illustrations, about 9/11 that were to be displayed in the case at the school's entrance. I wrote a screed about how transparently hypocritical everyone was being about the tragedy. When I think about it today that that poem was on display up there for about a month, for everybody to see that I wrote it, it's a sad moment for me. You might begin to understand why my wife left me--and the odd thing about that, again, is that the only emotional impact that leaves on me today is that it undermines my general faith in people, because my wife figured out something was wrong with me and left me hanging out to dry anyway.

It's been 10 years since the show Firefly was canceled from FOX, and I had watched it when it first aired. I loved that show, but not for any of the reasons that made it great. For some reason, its costumes and set design put me a more tolerable mood. Years later, it started to lose its luster as my moods became worse and worse. A few months ago, I thought about getting rid of my DVDs, but never did. Then, on a whim, I started watching them Friday night. I realized pretty quick into the pilot episode that 90% of the show had gone over my head. The whole point of the show is to highlight the interactions between the characters, which I could never follow before for the same reason that conservations bored me.

You know what that's like? Waking up one morning and realizing that everything you've been striving for during the last 10 years has been based on a misunderstanding of human nature? It's like in Flowers for Algernon when Charlie finally reaches a level of intelligence where he can understand that he was the butt of every joke back when he was still mentally r3tarded. You know what it's like going for 10 years not wanting to be a elitist snob but never being able to escape the feeling that you are the only one on the planet who comprehends the sheer hypocrisy and emotional immaturity of everyone, and building elaborate theories about why that is, only to find out one day that it was all a misunderstanding? Imagine it. Living with the constant back-and-forth: yes, they really are all that hypocritical; no, no, I need to be more sensitive and try to having feelings like theirs; wait, I was right the first time, and they really are that hypocritical. It's kind of an anti-climax to discover that both answers were right.

Has that been anyone else's experience, who has bipolar? I know I can't be the only one.

Hi, sorry for all the questions or if i came across like i was prying---I was only asking because a lot of what you were describing sounded similar to what my boyfriend has expressed to me. I'm probably projecting here...i tend to do that when i make associations, but it turns out that he was diagnosed with Aspergers syndrome in late adulthood. It often goes undetected because people with Aspergers are highly intelligent and they are often mislabeled as being unsympathetic or, as you described, "insensitive" to people. He too always was and still is socially awkward and finds conversations to be boring unless they pertain to what interests him. Well, there's a lot more to it all, and i don't want to come across as the analyst, i just wanted to mention it since i noticed some similarities. He is also diagnosed with bpd, but he's now wondering if that was a misdiagnosis since he doesn't seem to have the classic manic side to the disorder, however does get depressed, anxious and moody in the irritable sense.

Btw, i too love sci-fi shows. They're a life saver especially during depressed episodes. One of my favorite syfy tv shows, (aside from some of the different Star Trek series), is Battle Star Galactica (the modern version). I've been meaning to check out "Fire fly", but haven't yet. Do you like other syfy shows besides Fire fly?
 
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I've been in recovery for bipolar now for about 12 years give or take so yes I know what it's like to look back on all the foolish things I did when I was symptomatic. There are people in the world who will always believe I was the most pathetic person they ever met. My experience with BPD has been one of abject humiliation and it's only now that I have recovered enough self-respect to talk about it.

Today I tell people my story of recovery and it's like "yeah, right buddy...." as if they don't believe that anyone who ended up like me could have started out like that. I remember as clearly as yesterday's breakfast the thought process 12 years ago which led me to meticulously destroy a 100K a year career for which I'd trained my whole life. I remember just as clearly the warped logic of my paranoia which governed years 3 and 4.

Yeah OP, I know what it's like.



I think it's great that you have reached a point where people find it hard to believe your past. I have that experience as well. I also had people who thought I was pretty pathetic, as far as being human is concerned.

In addition to my bipolar disorder, I have co-occurring borderline personality disorder, and alcoholism. Not a pretty combination, especially when it comes to marriage and children. My marriage was destroyed, but I was able to make peace with my kids, and restored my relationship with all of them. I was able to salvage my relationship with my kids, who are all grown now, by accepting responsibility for my behavior and not blaming my illness.

By the way, the acronym for bipolar disorder is BP. BPD is the acronym for borderline personality disorder.

I hope what I shared makes sense, and I hope I have not upset you by correcting you for the mistake with the acronym. It's a common mistake.

Warmly, Trish/Madison
 
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When you say "recovery", do you mean you are no longer symptomatic at all without meds, or are you on meds which have stabilized you and therefore no longer symptomatic?

I'm no longer symptomatic but I need meds to do it. When I said recovery I meant coping skills. Once the meds stabilized me (which took 4 years) I then had enough control over my life to slowly crawl out of the hole by relearning the vocational coping skills and life coping skills which allow me to hold down a stressful job while going to night school.

In essence, medication and support groups helped me separate the real me from the disease and my new coping skills helped me become the person I was intended to be all along. But it all goes away when I forget to take my meds.

I consider myself to have become an actual human being at age 45. Before that were various shades of misery.
 
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I'm no longer symptomatic but I need meds to do it. When I said recovery I meant coping skills. Once the meds stabilized me (which took 4 years) I then had enough control over my life to slowly crawl out of the hole by relearning the vocational coping skills and life coping skills which allow me to hold down a stressful job while going to night school.

In essence, medication and support groups helped me separate the real me from the disease and my new coping skills helped me become the person I was intended to be all along. But it all goes away when I forget to take my meds.

I consider myself to have become an actual human being at age 45. Before that were various shades of misery.


I am similar to you. I did not even know I had bipolar disorder till a few years ago. My psychiatrist always said I had a mood disorder, of which bipolar disorder is one. He just never gave me his complete thoughts till a few years ago. 22 years ago, my therapist told me I had borderline personality disorder, which I totally agreed with when he read the diagnostic criterion to me.

I have a toolbox of coping skills I must do on an ongoing basis in order to keep my behavior in check. I am pretty asymptomatic most of the time, but occasionally, what I call the borderline b**** comes out and hurts someone's feelings.

Glad to hear you are also being blessed with good health.
 
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I'm no longer symptomatic but I need meds to do it. When I said recovery I meant coping skills. Once the meds stabilized me (which took 4 years) I then had enough control over my life to slowly crawl out of the hole by relearning the vocational coping skills and life coping skills which allow me to hold down a stressful job while going to night school.

In essence, medication and support groups helped me separate the real me from the disease and my new coping skills helped me become the person I was intended to be all along. But it all goes away when I forget to take my meds.

I consider myself to have become an actual human being at age 45. Before that were various shades of misery.

That's wonderful that you have been able to find the right meds and have learned how to cope. Would you mind sharing some examples of these coping skills because i have no idea how to cope when the episodes hit me....especially the depressed ones. The little experience i've had with therapy, i was never really taught anything about practical ways to cope. I have taught myself somethings such as avoiding stores or giving someone my credit card when i start feeling the mania coming on, but coping while depressed is the hardest. When depressed, i just basically hunker down and go into hibernation mode and try to ride it out by distracting myself with watching sy fy tv show series---i guess watching something that is more outside mundane earthly reality...something more in the fantasy realm, distracts me from the dreadful reality that i experience when in that depressed hole. Sort of takes me away from ruminating on the depressive thoughts.....but of course, this only goes so far. Eventually the boredom sets in and i hate boredom more than anything since when i'm balanced, i'm rarely bored---i'm always working on my art, learning new things and pursuing my many interests which all disappear when the depression kicks in. It's as if i become another person. Oh and chocolate..lol...i do tend to "medicate" with chocolate.

I know trying to escape through tv is not a good way to cope but i have no other solutions. I do try to pray, but even the spiritual part of me tends to dwindle away which really sux psychologically.
 
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