Derek Prince Anybody?

[joevberry3]

I enjoy reading and listening to the Late Derek Prince. I think as many other people do he was a great teacher of our time. What are some of yall's felings on him? Got any good memories of his teachings? Any quotes that still stick in your mind?


Joe

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I enjoy reading and listening to the Late Derek Prince. I think as many other people do he was a great teacher of our time. What are some of yall's felings on him? Got any good memories of his teachings? Any quotes that still stick in your mind?


Joe

I love DP! I was saddened when he passed last year..

I keep his seven volume set "Foundation Series" on my desk.

He was the first charismatic teacher I ever saw. It was at the Pittsburg Charismatic Conference in 1971.
Great Stuff!

 

[joevberry3]

I also was saddened when he passed. I really believe he was one of the Great Teachers of our time. I have learned so much from his speaking and his books.


Joe

 

[enoch son]

Sat and ate with Him at bible school 30 yrs. ago when casting out demons was the big topic at that time.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Sat and ate with Him at bible school 30 yrs. ago when casting out demons was the big topic at that time.

That must have been a great meal.

 

[enoch son]

indeed it was my pastor and teacher, Mr. Prince and myself.

 

[victoryword]

Got saved in 1984, and became a Charismatic Word-Faither in 1985, but never heard of Derek Prince until 1987. I was at a missionary training school and some people from the church sponsoring it were selling used books to raise money. They had the old set of Prince's foundations books and one on the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I bought them and it was my first introduction to Derek Prince (incidentally, they had a used E. W. Kenyon book, The Bible in the Light of Our Redemption. This was my first intro to Kenyon as well).

I became interested in Prince and decided to find out more about him and his ministry. I wrote requesting a book and tape catalogue and ordered some of his tapes. It was good to hear some of the Bible truths that I had already become familiar with explained in a more intellectual and systematic way. Coincidentally around that period I someone gave me a whole pile of very old Charisma magazines (my first intro to Charisma - the magazine was much more fun to read back then than it is nowadays). From them I learned some things about Prince and other Charismatics. But I digress.

While I have had disagreements with Prince's deliverenace teachings, I have been immensely blessed by the other 85% of his teachings. I always considered him one of my modern favorites.

I found it strange how Kenneth Hagin died and then only a few days later, Prince died. It seemed like an era was over when these two great men both went home to be with the Lord only days apart. I'm not even sure if the two ever fellowshipped together here on earth. I know that Hagin did not seem to favor Prince's teachings on deliverance (though Hagin never mentioned Prince by name). On the other hand, Prince once seemed to quote Hagin favorably (without mentioning names) in his book on faith, though I do not have the exact quote. Maybe I'll look it up when I get home.

However, Prince has had a great influence on my own life and ministry. Even now I am being blessed as I am currently reading on of the last books he wrote, War In Heaven. May God richly reward this great man.

 

[enoch son]

Victoryword very interesting. I lost my spiritual father Earl Kullem a minstery in mexico for over 50 yrs.. He was in the same mold or of the same chruch age as those other brothers. I had my belief foundation laid by these brothers. At's a get lost to the body of Christ. But I must say that something big is in the spiritual air. A move of God is coming. I don't know when or how but I can sense it. God gave me Habakkuk 2-3 the other day. But I'm not a very patience when it comes to the move of the Holy Spirit in the body. I'm on pin's and needles screaming for the release.

 

[nagwalk]

I was privileged to have Dr. Prince as my Theology instructor at Western Pentecostal Bible College in North Vancouver B.C. Canada in 1962.

As first year students we felt so honoured to have a teacher of his letters at our college.

His first words to us were, "Mark the wise man, he is the one who can take the deep things of the word of God and explain them so that a little child can understand.."

You could hear the balloons popping all over the classroom.

If I am an effective communicator of the Gospel today, it is because of the lessons learned at the feet of this wonderfull man of God.

 

[Theophilus7]

I'm not even sure if the two ever fellowshipped together here on earth. I know that Hagin did not seem to favor Prince's teachings on deliverance (though Hagin never mentioned Prince by name). On the other hand, Prince once seemed to quote Hagin favorably (without mentioning names) in his book on faith, though I do not have the exact quote. Maybe I'll look it up when I get home

I think Derek did feel concerned about the WoF's handling of prosperity and suffering, victoryword.

I have consistently taught for years, even before what's called the
faith movement came into being, that it's the will of God for us to
prosper. I still believe that. But I'll tell you this, brothers and
sisters, when we teach that it's God's will for us to prosper out of
scripture, we need to have a scriptural definition of what prosperity
is. It's not the world's definition. That's the problem. Paul prayed in
Romans 1 that he might have a prosperous journey, by the will of God, to
Rome. The same word is used-exactly the same Greek word in 3 John 2
where John says:

"Beloved, I pray above all things that thou may prosper and be in
health, even as thy soul prospers."

The same word. Have a prosperous journey, or have a prosperous journey
through life. Now, I believe God answered Paul's prayer. He gave him a
prosperous journey to Rome. But have you ever stopped to consider the
nature of his journey? He did not travel first class. He was a prisoner,
manacled. They had a totally unnatural storm which lasted for 14 days
and nights in which they saw neither the sun, moon or stars. They all
thought they were going to drown. They were shipwrecked on an island and
the first thing that happened to Paul was when he was gathering sticks,
a viper fastened on his hand. Is that our definition of prosperity? Yet
he had a prosperous journey. Why? Because he successfully accomplished
the purpose of God for that journey. Why was there a storm of 14 days?
Well, there are things we can't explain. I think if Joe Blow Christian
had been going to Rome there would have been no storm. I think the devil
didn't want Paul to get to Rome because he could cause a lot of trouble
for the devil. I think the men and women of God who can impact the world
and trouble Satan meet storms that just don't come the way of people who
travel first class on cruises. See what I'm saying?

All those in Asia turned away from him, he was awaiting execution. Was
that success? He said, "Demas has forsaken me, having loved the present
world."

One of the unforgettable sermons I heard was by an old servant of the
Lord who said, "I'll give you four reasons why Demas forsook Paul. First
of all, he was a failure. He left Trophemus sick, he couldn't even pray
for his fellow worker to be healed. Second, he didn't have enough
money." He went through the list. By the standards of the world Demas
did the sensible thing. How many of us would be like Demas? If we're
influenced by the world's standards, brothers and sisters, when it comes
to the crunch, that's what we'll do. Don't say to yourself I know I'm
living a self indulgent life but when the test comes, I really will be
faithful to the Lord. You won't. If you're not faithful now you won't be
faithful when the test comes. I have a feeling the test is pretty close
at hand.

 

[nagwalk]

I had him for a teacher before he was alleged to be part of the blab it and grab it crowd thats always praying for a colour tv and a mercedes bens..

 

[victoryword]

*Sigh* I really do become disturbed when threads denigrate into caricaturing the Faith Movement (i. e. the "blab it grab it" statement above). As I have said time and again that it is true that some in the Faith Movement have, and still do go to extremes on prosperity. Yet, so many in other denominations have their own extremes.

Let's not forget that Prince (who I admire greatly) was guilty of a few extremes himself - the deliverance teachings as well as his involvement in the shepherding movement (which he did recant later). I really hate to bring these things up because this thread should really remain a POSITIVE thread about Prince, but if one is going to contrast Prince to the Faith Teachers (and use him to engage in "WoF bashing"), one had better be ready to see that Prince was not a perfect man and had some faults.

On the other hand, on this very forum we did mention the fact that Hagin has written against the extremes in prosperity and has taught on the subject of suffering. If the Faith Movement should be criticized for not emphasizing suffering enough, we could very well criticize others for emphasizing it too much, especially at the expense of destroying faith in God's desire to deliver.

Finally, while it is obvious that both Prince and Hagin had some obvious differences, they also seemed to agree on way more than they disagreed on. Furthermore, in their occasional critiques of one another's beliefs, there was no name calling, no caricature, and no extreme examples used to present a "norm" in the doctrine of the other. Let us honor the legacies of these two great men by restraining ourselves in doing what both might be greived by themselves.

Let me end this on a POSITIVE note: I did have Prince's old teaching tapes on Abundance (my wife lost them). They were some of the best I ever heard on the subject.

 

[joevberry3]

Thanks Victoryword! Just a note to WOF bashers. This thread was started to allow us to post our fond memories of this great man of God. Was he perfect? No. Are you? No. So please keep the posts Positive..

God Bless,
Joe

 

[Theophilus7]

*Sigh* I really do become disturbed when threads denigrate into caricaturing the Faith Movement

Sorry if my post came across that way, victoryword.

That's the only record I am aware of where Prince actually seemed to direct a comment at the WoF movement. Perhaps I should have saved it for another thread.

See you all in a few days. I'm having a little holiday on a tidal Island near Scotland. (Pray we don't get drowned by the fast tides when crossing the causeway! )

 

[Theophilus7]

Thanks Victoryword! Just a note to WOF bashers. This thread was started to allow us to post our fond memories of this great man of God. Was he perfect? No. Are you? No. So please keep the posts Positive..

God Bless,
Joe

Again, my humble apologies. Badly timed.

 

[joevberry3]

Again, my humble apologies. Badly timed.

Your apology is accepted Brother! Humility! I like that! Very refreshing to see someone on here that apologizes!


Praise God and Bless You Brother,
Joe

 

[HoT-MetaL]

Its amazing how Derek Prince ALWAYS preached that the threat is NOT communism but Islam. How right he was.

Derek Prince was a man of stature, a real man of God. What you saw is what you got. He was truly a humble man.

It would have been an honour and privelage to have met the man.
It was a real shame in the years before he died, with the parkinsons. Still he pursued Gods glory to the end. I once heard a live message, at an event in reading names 'the call', which was awesome.

God Bless, metal.

 

[victoryword]

Joe, I knew your goal was a positive thread about Prince and I hope from this point we can keep it to just that. A little controversy never hurts but I hope others will try to refrain from making unkind statements about any CHRISTIAN movement or person.

Theophilus7, your comments did not bother me as much as nagwalk's statement on the "blab it and grab it" thing. This is a blanket caricature of the Faith Movement. I don't believe that nagwalk meant any real harm but it is offensive and can start a war between dedicated Derek Prince admirers and Faith Movement advocates. Some of Prince's own messages could be classified as "blab it and grab it" if one does not carefully discern what he was teaching. Not all Faith Teacxhers are necessarily blab it and grab it. Not all teach believing God only for a new car or new TV.

 

[enoch son]

I was privileged to have Dr. Prince as my Theology instructor at Western Pentecostal Bible College in North Vancouver B.C. Canada in 1962.

As first year students we felt so honoured to have a teacher of his letters at our college.

His first words to us were, "Mark the wise man, he is the one who can take the deep things of the word of God and explain them so that a little child can understand.."

You could hear the balloons popping all over the classroom.

If I am an effective communicator of the Gospel today, it is because of the lessons learned at the feet of this wonderfull man of God.

I sat through a dinner and just lesson to two men of God speak. It was wonderful. I enjoy being the fly on the wall. Sometime one learn's so much by just lessoning.

 

[Syntyche]

I have the foundations books by Derek Prince. Very solid teaching.