Depression..

[com7fy8]

Seems to respond to psychological changes.. instead of being illogical like a chemical imbalance.

I think chemical stuff can be a result of deeper personality stuff . . . like how anger can drive up blood pressure. And stress might cause a breakdown of immunity. So, then, yes the main thing we need to do is deal with depression at the personality level.

About being nice to people. I think you are right about how we need to be able to feel for other people . . . to have empathy. This is good for loving. So, may be acting nice can be a way of putting on a show for effect, but it could be not really feeling for people and relating. So, I can see how that might be not good like empathizing and relating can be.

sadly as far as human psychology goes.. modern science is probably still mostly in the dark.

My suspicion is psychology people can go too much with theory which makes generalities. When in true reality, each of us has a unique personality which even we ourselves can't figure out!

But I think there are psychology people who first try to get to know a person, then offer what they can to help them. And they can use their theoretical education, of course. But relating from their own experience can help.

it's probably a psychological issue.. and as far as psychology goes.. what I've read about psychologists.. they would have little to give me. In fact.. in some cases.. they can make people's problems much worse.

My experience is any professional can give me something. But I need to evaluate each item.

 

[MehGuy]

But if you saw a therapist who wasn't cognitive behavioral, there is a good chance he/she wouldn't dismiss that "anger turned inward" idea, right away ;because, there is some stuff you said, like what you said towards the end of that one post about being a lot nicer to people in a kind of phony way etc. and they would be suspicious that you are kind of alienated from your emotions, or in Denial etc. So they might have you talk to some empty chairs etc.

Talking to empty chairs? Gives me Clint Eastwood flashbacks, lol.

I wouldn't say it is totally phony. A part of me likes being friendly towards other people. Initially I decided to be more friendly in an effort and experiment to see if it would help me feel a connection with others. Sadly this never really happened. A slight connection maybe.. but despite building up a good reputation with co-workers and having a lot of people really like me, I still felt empty. It is something I have struggled all my life. Honestly cannot say I've ever really felt connected to another before.. even if on paper I should have been. Always felt alone in a crowd.. and a thousand miles away even among "friends". I do not see how nor believe this mindset is caused by trauma, but simply how I was born.

imagining the people from your past and present that have caused you grief, and unhappiness and talk to them, and do other similar kinds of things.

I was never really bullied in life. While I do not view myself as being a bully, I have caused a lot of people grief in life. Maybe there is a guilt aspect somewhere in there.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Talking to empty chairs? Gives me Clint Eastwood flashbacks, lol.

lol yeah, watching that many years later after I studied that made me wonder if this was some kind of popular technique in the arts or something, but living in California especially Carmel area he probably would have seen it done before.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

I still felt empty. It is something I have struggled all my life. Honestly cannot say I've ever really felt connected to another before.. even if on paper I should have been. Always felt alone in a crowd.. and a thousand miles away even among "friends". I do not see how nor believe this mindset is caused by trauma, but simply how I was born.

You think you might have something like Asperger's?

 

[MehGuy]

You think you might have something like Asperger's?

I do wonder.. I was heavily psychologically tested as a kid.. they suspected autism.. but for whatever reason couldn't come up with an official diagnosis. All they really said was that the way my brain worked was bizarre. They did not even as baby and toddler and I never really had any reaction from being hugged or held and preferred to be by myself. Which from my own memories.. yeah that was the case.

Despite being heavily tested as a kid and seeing people through the years for whatever reason I've never been officially diagnosed with anything.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

All they really said was that the way my brain worked was bizarre.

Well that sounds interesting.

They did not even as baby and toddler and I never really had any reaction from being hugged or held and preferred to be by myself.

Well that sounds like autism. I erased my original comments that were long winded talking about this past psychology professor I knew, but he had a specialty in autism. A big chunk of his practice came from it. Anyway there was this therapy of hugging autistic kids for a long time, that often hate it etc. but it was to get them use to human contact etc.

Despite being heavily tested as a kid and seeing people through the years for whatever reason I've never been officially diagnosed with anything.

Well as I was saying / reminiscing in my earlier comments that I deleted and rewrote (reminiscing about the old days). When I took the class on Diagnosing mental disorders and developmental disorders in the early 90s I don't remember anything on Asperger's. But who knows maybe it was around. Autism was definitely there. It seemed to me that Asperger's became a big thing years after I left the field in the 2000s. But if doctors of today saw you that might have been a different story because the diagnostic standards get overhauled when they come out with editions of the DSM that I think come every 10-15 years or so since 1952.

 

[MehGuy]

Well that sounds interesting.

Yeah.. I only know this second hand from my parents.. but my mother told me they were pretty frustrated they couldn't pin anything down on me. Although they did give me an "unspecified language disorder" so the school could give me special classes on grammar.

Well that sounds like autism. I erased my original comments that were long winded talking about this past psychology professor I knew, but he had a specialty in autism. A big chunk of his practice came from it. Anyway there was this therapy of hugging autistic kids for a long time, that often hate it etc. but it was to get them use to human contact etc.

I never hated hugging.. I just never felt anything from it. I really wanted too.. but I remember when I was hugged I was totally embracing any feeling that would come.. but nothing did.

Well as I was saying / reminiscing in my earlier comments that I deleted and rewrote (reminiscing about the old days). When I took the class on Diagnosing mental disorders and developmental disorders in the early 90s I don't remember anything on Asperger's. But who knows maybe it was around. Autism was definitely there. It seemed to me that Asperger's became a big thing years after I left the field in the 2000s. But if doctors of today saw you that might have been a different story because the diagnostic standards get overhauled when they come out with editions of the DSM that I think come every decade or so since the early 50s or so.

Yeah, possibly. This was the mid-to late 90s. The thing is.. despite many autists.. I register facial expression rather well.. and my theory of mind is mostly intact and I understand humor and the abstract very well.

 

[Mark Quayle]

I never hated hugging.. I just never felt anything from it. I really wanted too.. but I remember when I was hugged I was totally embracing any feeling that would come.. but nothing did.

There are some autistic tendencies in me still, and certainly were as a child; anyway, it occurred to me just now, that holding me, rocking me for long periods of time (not just hugging) might have helped with that. Speculation.

 

[look4hope]

I've been to a psychologist.. found it a waste of time. Those people are not magic.. and sadly as far as human psychology goes.. modern science is probably still mostly in the dark.

I'd rather find out my own psychological issues than trust in someone else to guide me.

The first time I found a psychologist, she ended up cutting my visit short and recommended me to psychiatrist to start medication ASAP. I really just needed a chance to talk, yap, express, explain...etc. After that, even a counselor didn’t work out. It all felt like they were looking at the clock to know how much to charge me.

In my experience, finding the right people to help me deal with depression is one of the most difficult things to go through.

 

[Unknown404]

Does anyone else suffer from depression? What is depression to you?

I have been suffering through severe depression for the last decade. Regarding what depression is to me, I view it as numbness. Empathy death. You experience no real highs nor lows. Consequently it makes you withdraw from life and relationships.

Occasionally I wonder if I am actually better off with depression. Previously I suffered from experiencing too many emotions. The few times my depression subsides the mania comes back. I do relate to the experiences of people who have borderline personality disorder. Unfortunately my mind does not seem to be very good at moderation. Either I feel a lot or I feel nothing at all. While the latter gives you more control it is at the cost of wondering what the point of living is.

I do not think my depression from a chemical imbalance. So I do have hope it will one day go away.

 

[MehGuy]

There are some autistic tendencies in me still, and certainly were as a child; anyway, it occurred to me just now, that holding me, rocking me for long periods of time (not just hugging) might have helped with that. Speculation.

Interesting. My autistic tendencies are trouble looking others in the eye, language problems (difficulty with vocabulary/grammar and stringing together sentences), repetitive mindsets. Occasionally I do rock back and forth.. but I mostly due it when I'm listening to music so I'm not sure that counts.

Funny though.. most people who do think I'm autistic are not autistic themselves, and the few autistic friends I do have do not think I have it, lol. I know a lot of autistic people have great difficulties in life and I cannot really relate.. so I do understand their hesitancy to think I'm somehow on the spectrum despite having a few quirks.

 

[MehGuy]

Besides genetics I do have on nurture theory for why I have trouble feeling "love" and consequently feeling close to others. On the contrary of having abusive parents mine were unusually loving. They took the idea of "Christian love" very seriously. Hyper empathy. It was genuine too. Occasionally I do have a fear that this upbringing made me desensitized towards the feelings of "love". Perhaps in some respects it is an important developmental stage for children to experiences times of being denied love.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Interesting. My autistic tendencies are trouble looking others in the eye, language problems (difficulty with vocabulary/grammar and stringing together sentences), repetitive mindsets. Occasionally I do rock back and forth.. but I mostly due it when I'm listening to music so I'm not sure that counts.

Funny though.. most people who do think I'm autistic are not autistic themselves, and the few autistic friends I do have do not think I have it, lol. I know a lot of autistic people have great difficulties in life and I cannot really relate.. so I do understand their hesitancy to think I'm somehow on the spectrum despite having a few quirks.

Haha. Like I live in the north now, and everybody up here says I talk southern, but when I go back down there to visit, everybody there says I sound like a Yankee.

Agreed. I have a cousin who is high functioning autistic, but can't register faces —even his own wife's of many years. He picks up on things such as a badly grounded electrical system and horses' body language, and such, and he can't understand why everybody doesn't feel the bad ground, or know the horse was going to do that.

 

[Kyrani]

Besides genetics I do have on nurture theory for why I have trouble feeling "love" and consequently feeling close to others.

I don't think depression has anything to do with chemical imbalances nor genetics. I believe it has to do with psychological issues that the person is struggling with that, as a result of that struggle, have adverse effects on the heart. If the heart becomes affected so that changes, higher or lower heart rate, is not easily possible, and as the heart rate variability is low, then the person is unable to feel any excitement that comes with joy and pleasure.
I have made one video on depression to explain this and I am close to finishing my second video on depression. You will need to go into YouTube to see my video as I have placed age restrictions. Is it okay to post it here?

 

[MehGuy]

I don't think depression has anything to do with chemical imbalances nor genetics. I believe it has to do with psychological issues that the person is struggling with that, as a result of that struggle, have adverse effects on the heart. If the heart becomes affected so that changes, higher or lower heart rate, is not easily possible, and as the heart rate variability is low, then the person is unable to feel any excitement that comes with joy and pleasure.
I have made one video on depression to explain this and I am close to finishing my second video on depression. You will need to go into YouTube to see my video as I have placed age restrictions. Is it okay to post it here?

Why are the videos age restricted? As far as you wanting to post it here.. just check with the mods first.

 

[Kyrani]

How do I do that?

 

[MehGuy]

How do I do that?

On the top of the website there is an icon that says "Members" click on that.. and it will bring you to a new page.. click on the icon that says staff. It lists all the mods and admins.

 

[Kyrani]

I made them age restricted because there are things that maybe would scare kids. For instance there is underhanded foul game play behind most of disease. And they see that indirectly because they see a fight or flight response. This is not just a bit of fear. We ignite this response where there is real danger to our life.

A concealed threat is used, but it is not aimed to do physical harm. It is aimed to cause us to react with a fight or flight response. This means high emotional charge and that can be used then to cause the person to believe in ideas that are mentally presented to them as they don't have enough information to realize it is fear. So for instance the same concealed threat is used in the love at first sight cheat as is used to manufacture a panic attack.
How do I contact the moderators?

 

[Kyrani]

Okay thanks I will try to talk to the moderators

 

[Kyrani]

On the top of the website there is an icon that says "Members" click on that.. and it will bring you to a new page.. click on the icon that says staff. It lists all the mods and admins.

I left a message but there is no reply.
Maybe I just post it and if they don't want it they can delete it. I don't see why though.
depression video 25th July2021 - YouTube
It is 27 mins and the trailer on this one is less than a minute so 28 mins all up.