Denominations that teach that salvation is exclusive to them

[Holy Athanasius]

I believe you're right Bob!

He's wrong. The idea that extra Ecclesiam nulla salus means that you have physically be a member of the Catholic Church to be saved is a heretical idea that was invented by a priest named Feeney in the early 20th century.

But his teaching on this was denounced by the Pope and the Vatican formally. We have always believed, long before Vatican II that there was baptism of blood and baptism of desire. That is to say, God may baptize someone in an extraordinary way, if they have an implicit desire for the truth, to be with God, even if they are not formally Catholic.

 

[ozso]

There are fringe denominations who either outright claim or strongly imply that they are the chosen remnant whom God will save. Or at least their outspoken members do. Even when it comes to fringe denominations which set themselves apart, some of their members are considered more radical or say eccentric than the group as a whole. And they're the ones you're probably more likely to come across on the internet.

Usually these fringe denominations were founded in the 19th century onward. In other words supposedly God waited nearly two thousand years to form a small remnant of true Christians to be saved.

Most of these fringe denominations make the claim or strongly insinuate that all other denominations are following the traditions of man (usually this applied especially to the Catholic Church) and they're the only ones properly following God. Ironically while they say all others follow man, their denomination was started by a man or woman from around the 1830s onward, and their founder, who's often supposed to be a prophet or prophetess, wrote their doctrine.

So those are some of the things to watch out for in my opinion: Claims to be the remnant of Christianity who will be saved. Claims all others are following the traditions of men. Was formed in the 19th century. Has a founder who's often called a prophet or prophetess.

 

[ChetSinger]

That is not just before Vatican II, it is still Church teaching. Christ founded one Church, not many.
One Lord, One faith, One baptism.
The Catholic Church considers others our separated brethren, not other churches, because there can be only one.
As Paul said Is Christ divided? God forbid. It is a uniquely American belief in freedom of religion. Jesus calls us to the truth, and you will seek Him and you will find Him when you search with all of your heart

I'm glad for Vatican II, in part because reclassifying me from "heretic" to "separated brethren" is quite an upgrade.

 

[Hazelelponi]

It still does.

Does it? They have communion with a couple other denominations...

However, Catholic as in universal (latin I believe) is something I think every Christian believes. There is only 1 Universal Church. However, there are members of that universal church found in more than 1 denomination.

 

[concretecamper]

Does it? They have communion with a couple other denominations...

Such as?

There is only 1 Universal Church. However, there are members of that universal church found in more than 1 denomination.

One Baptism, One Faith, not many

 

[concretecamper]

I'm glad for Vatican II, in part because reclassifying me from "heretic" to "separated brethren" is quite an upgrade.

Really? I would be too sure of that. It isn't either/or, it is both/ and

The current CCC is more focused on eccumanism. You won't even find the word heretic in it.

 

[Cis.jd]

I think all had this mentality during the time, but later eventually matured. There are still those conceited denominations, mostly southern baptists.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Such as?

I believe they have accepted Lutheran to communion and some Orthodox. I have read this anyway.

 

[Hazelelponi]

One Baptism, One Faith, not many

Is it many faiths or is it one?

Are we not all baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and of the Holy Spirit?

Is Christianity (as a whole) stable on most basic elements of the Faith?

Can you point and say every single person attending × denomination will indeed go to hell if not rescued?

I can't - not even with those denominations I disagree with most save exceptions that don't fit within the framework of what basics are accepted among nearly all of Christiandom...

I can say they are confused, I can admit even I might be confused... But unsaved in total, every single member? No... I wouldn't dare anyway because I have God to answer to. But everyone who is truly living out their Christian faith in truth, I think they can be found in more than one denomination.

The tares and the wheat are growing together - until God commences the Harvest.

 

[concretecamper]

Can you point and say every single person attending × denomination will indeed go to hell if not rescued?

No, I wouldn't dare do that.

However, if Jesus said unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood, you have no life in you, then it doesn't look good for many who call themselves Christians.

 

[HIM]

No doubt that is easy to find.

In fact everyone "Should" be saying "the denomination I belong to has the most correct doctrine of all denominations" because it is not very healthy to be saying "my church has bad doctrine but I don't care - I have friends there"

There was a time that most taught they were the only way. As they should.

 

[BobRyan]

There was a time that most taught they were the only way. As they should.

Saying that a healthy Christian outlook is to say "I have searched and the group I am in is teaching what I find the Bible to teach" is a healthy POV Then to stay on that road of looking into what the Bible says and checking that things still match up with the group you are in (or else finding they do not) is the right path and that is what Timothy found out according to the Apostle Paul.

Timothy accepted the light he had - and when he got more light - he made the necessary change.

But that just shows why we can't claim that someone with a flaw in their theology is not saved - Paul said Timothy was saved as a child

The "nobody saved but us" led the Jews down a very bad road and in the dark ages it lead to things like "the doctrine of discovery" and the "extermination of heretics" in the LATERAN IV declaration

 

[Hazelelponi]

No, I wouldn't dare do that.

However, if Jesus said unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood, you have no life in you, then it doesn't look good for many who call themselves Christians.

Well, it's just that some of us don't take that literally...

God bless you..

 

[The Liturgist]

There are fringe denominations who either outright claim or strongly imply that they are the chosen remnant whom God will save. Or at least their outspoken members do. Even when it comes to fringe denominations which set themselves apart, some of their members are considered more radical or say eccentric than the group as a whole. And they're the ones you're probably more likely to come across on the internet.

Usually these fringe denominations were founded in the 19th century onward. In other words supposedly God waited nearly two thousand years to form a small remnant of true Christians to be saved.

Most of these fringe denominations make the claim or strongly insinuate that all other denominations are following the traditions of man (usually this applied especially to the Catholic Church) and they're the only ones properly following God. Ironically while they say all others follow man, their denomination was started by a man or woman from around the 1830s onward, and their founder, who's often supposed to be a prophet or prophetess, wrote their doctrine.

So those are some of the things to watch out for in my opinion: Claims to be the remnant of Christianity who will be saved. Claims all others are following the traditions of men. Was formed in the 19th century. Has a founder who's often called a prophet or prophetess.

Indeed. Most of these denominations are Restorationist, furthermore, and reject the doctrine of the Trinity, with some having more of an occult connection, for example there was the curious cult of the Violet Flame group, or some of the New Thought churches. I don’t think Christian Science or the Swedenborgians teach that they alone possess salvation, I rather hope they don’t, but we do know for sure that the J/Ws, Mormons and some related groups do fall into this category.

Note the majority of these groups, because they reject the Trinity or are Gnostic or otherwise theologically non-Nicene or incompatible with the CF.com, are not considered Christian denominations on this forum, which is a good thing. There are only a few denominations which are both definitionally Christian and which would assert that outside of their denomination salvation is impossible, and this list excludes the Roman Catholic Church and most other churches people are likely to accuse of this.

 

[ozso]

Indeed. Most of these denominations are Restorationist, furthermore, and reject the doctrine of the Trinity, with some having more of an occult connection, for example there was the curious cult of the Violet Flame group, or some of the New Thought churches. I don’t think Christian Science or the Swedenborgians teach that they alone possess salvation, I rather hope they don’t, but we do know for sure that the J/Ws, Mormons and some related groups do fall into this category.

Note the majority of these groups, because they reject the Trinity or are Gnostic or otherwise theologically non-Nicene or incompatible with the CF.com, are not considered Christian denominations on this forum, which is a good thing. There are only a few denominations which are both definitionally Christian and which would assert that outside of their denomination salvation is impossible, and this list excludes the Roman Catholic Church and most other churches people are likely to accuse of this.

Based on having talked extensively with SDA members, there's a very distinct impression that they believe they are God's obedient remnant, while most of the rest of Christianity is willfully disobeying God in favor of following the traditions of men.

I get a similar vibe from Messianics too.

Has to do with the view that most Christians reject the Torah, Mosaic Law and especially the 4th Commandment.

 

[concretecamper]

Well, it's just that some of us don't take that literally...

God bless you..

The Church has taken that literally for close to 2,000 years

 

[ozso]

It still does.

So the Roman Catholic church says that only Roman Catholics will receive salvation. Thanks for being so open and honest about that. All other Roman Catholics I've heard here and elsewhere don't assert that. Pope John Paul II and Pope Francis didn't/don't either. I supposed that can be construed as deception on their parts.

 

[concretecamper]

So the Roman Catholic church says that only Roman Catholics will receive salvation

No, I didn't say that.

Thanks for being so open and honest about that. Most other Roman Catholics here and elsewhere don't assert that. Pope John Paul II and Pope Francis didn't/don't either. I supposed that can be construed as deception on their parts.

Considering you put words into my mouth, I see your confusion.

 

[ozso]

No, I didn't say that.


Considering you put words into my mouth, I see your confusion.

Bob Ryan said: "Before Vatican II - I think the Catholic Church used to teach "no salvation outside the Catholic Church"

You replied: "It still does."

 

[concretecamper]

Bob Ryan said: "Before Vatican II - I think the Catholic Church used to teach "no salvation outside the Catholic Church"

You replied: "It still does."

Church teaching:

"The members of the Church are those who have validly received the Sacrament of Baptism and who are not separated from the unity of the confession of the Faith, and from the unity of the lawful communion of the Church."

There are many who are in this category who are not Roman Catholics.