Democrats want candidate other than Biden

[RestoreTheJoy]

Biden's cognition has been in decline for quite a while now. unfortunately the mainstream liberal media have been doing a good job hiding it.

at this point, the best thing Biden could do is to step down.

Except then we get HARRIS. (cackle cackle).

No thanks.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

im still waiting for someone to explain how trump was a fascist.

When the election didn’t go his way he tried his absolute best to overturn and invalidate the results. He used the media and public divisions to try and force his way into an undeserved, unearned second term. That is classic authoritarian, fascist behavior.

 

[adrianmonk]

All of it is, actually.

Have you read any books on the subject? Hastily skimming the Wikipedia page doesn’t count. I’ll send you a few, if you have an Audible account.

What do you recommend ?

 

[TobiaAJoshua]

Except then we get HARRIS. (cackle cackle).

No thanks.

yes, I get the sense many people hate Harris.

honestly, I think Biden is worse. At least Harris is cognitively sound.

I just saw on the news today that Russia has sent troops to eastern Ukraine
, as I was watching that, I can not help wonder whether it might have something to do, at least in part, that Putin know Biden is a weak old man.

either way, Biden has no business in the White House.

I think it is plain sad that the liberal media continue to hide this problem from American public.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

What do you recommend ?

Let me start by saying, I subscribe to the school of thought that fascism is best thought of as an ideology first. I go further than most though, in recognizing that the reason why fascism is so notoriously difficult to nail down, definitionally, is because it is an incoherent worldview, both internally and externally. So, to study fascism is to knowingly engage in a contradiction - trying to apply a rational approach to a system that is ontologically irrational. You just kind of have to make peace with that fact, otherwise, you might go a little crazy.

Anyway, here is what I recommend, from my own collection,

Ur-Fascism (essay) - Umberto Eco
Strongmen - Ruth Ben-Ghiat
Anatomy of Fascism - Robert Paxton
The Origins of Totalitarianism - Hannah Arendt
The Coming of the Third Reich - Richard J. Evans

And although it's not without its problems, I can't help but recommend The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. It was the first truly "grownup" book I ever read, and had a huge impact on me. The first 1/4 or so covers a lot of the early history and philosophy of fascism and Nazism.

 

[jayem]

I like Pete Buttigieg, but I don’t think majority African American and Hispanic voter would vote for a gay man.

Absolutely. I voted for him as a write-in in the general election. And I wrote-in Ill. Sen. Tammy Duckworth for VP. It may take some time, but I’m certain that they’re the future.

I’m glad that Joe Biden won, but I kinda doubt he’d run again even if his popularity was sky high. Being President is an impossible job. The stress is overwhelming. No matter what you do, you’ll be hated and viciously attacked by one group or another. I don’t see how any rational person would willingly put him/her self and family into that meat grinder. I think of it as the Presidential Catch 22. Anyone who really wants to be President isn’t mentally fit for for the job.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

When the election didn’t go his way he tried his absolute best to overturn and invalidate the results. He used the media and public divisions to try and force his way into an undeserved, unearned second term. That is classic authoritarian, fascist behavior.

He made arguments. He tried legal tactics. He was unsuccessful. So what? All of these were legal tactics.
"Fascists" would call in the military and not leave the White House.

Your argument is false.

Stacey Abrams, candidate who had a failed gubernatorial run in Georgia sued in much the same way. She never conceded her loss either.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

yes, I get the sense many people hate Harris.

honestly, I think Biden is worse. At least Harris is cognitively sound.

I just saw on the news today that Russia has sent troops to eastern Ukraine
, as I was watching that, I can not help wonder whether it might have something to do, at least in part, that Putin know Biden is a weak old man.

either way, Biden has no business in the White House.

I think it is plain sad that the liberal media continue to hide this problem from American public.

I don't think people "hate" Harris We don't know her. She might be a nice person. Who knows...despite the odd quirks in interviews.

We do know that she has done less than nothing in her current position as "border czar" while millions have poured over the border in a pandemic, and been released back into the country without a vaccine (while Americans have been incessantly hassled). She's never even been to the border. She did go to Europe though....(eyeroll). We do know she laughs hysterically at serious questions. Time to move on.

She is a failed VP.

 

[SimplyMe]

He made arguments. He tried legal tactics. He was unsuccessful. So what? All of these were legal tactics.
"Fascists" would call in the military and not leave the White House.

Your argument is false.

Stacey Abrams, candidate who had a failed gubernatorial run in Georgia sued in much the same way. She never conceded her loss either.

I guess we should be happy that he only typed up the order, had it on his desk, but never signed it -- but did discuss it heavily? But, yes, Trump settled on another idea to "steal the election." Unfortunately, that tactic requires VP Pence to not count the legitimate Electoral College votes and, instead, choose to count the alternate votes sent in from various states by the Trump campaign. Seems like it is less that Trump is a racist, instead we have to be thankful that Pence wasn't.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

He made arguments.

He told lies, trying to undermine a democratic process. And continues to do so.

He tried legal tactics.

I don't know enough about the law to say whether telling the Georgia SoS to "find" votes for him is legal or illegal. I would call it highly immoral, though. And in keeping with fascistic anti-democratic practices.

He was unsuccessful.

Being unsuccessful at implementing fascism doesn't make you any less of a fascist. All it means is that you suck at it.

"Fascists" would call in the military and not leave the White House.

That is one thing they might do, yes. That is a sufficient behavior of fascism, but not a necessary one.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

He told lies, trying to undermine a democratic process. And continues to do so.



I don't know enough about the law to say whether telling the Georgia SoS to "find" votes for him is legal or illegal. I would call it highly immoral, though. And in keeping with fascistic anti-democratic practices.



Being unsuccessful at implementing fascism doesn't make you any less of a fascist. All it means is that you suck at it.



That is one thing they might do, yes. That is a sufficient behavior of fascism, but not a necessary one.

The last president never mandated anything. That's what a fascist does.

Using one's available legal techniques is done all the time, as I stated, and as did Stacy Abrams (and yes, I am qualified to speak on that topic).

Was the last president obnoxious? So stipulated! But that doesn't make him a fascist. Want to see the tactics of a actual fascist? Look at the three main countries in which this has occurred in history: Germany, Italy, and Spain. Not today's pseudo-intellectual spin on it, with a political agenda, but what actually happened by those leaders (Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco, respectively.).

 

[Pommer]

The last president never mandated anything. That's what a fascist does.

Oh, like declaring a Federal Emergency so that he could pilfer the defense budget to pay for ‘The Wall’?
Yeah that was different though, because reasons, huh.

Using one's available legal techniques is done all the time, as I stated, and as did Stacy Abrams (and yes, I am qualified to speak on that topic).

Gaming-the-system for fun profit and power?
Delightful!

Was the last president obnoxious? So stipulated! But that doesn't make him a fascist. Want to see the tactics of a actual fascist? Look at the three main countries in which this has occurred in history: Germany, Italy, and Spain. Not today's pseudo-intellectual spin on it, with a political agenda, but what actually happened by those leaders (Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco, respectively.).

If not fascist, then at least authoritarian.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

The last president never mandated anything. That's what a fascist does.

No, that's something that can be done by someone of just about any ideology. It's definitely not enough on its own to label someone a fascist.

Using one's available legal techniques is done all the time

Lying about and actively trying to undermine democracy is not done all the time. That is false.

Was the last president obnoxious? So stipulated! But that doesn't make him a fascist.

Nor have I ever proposed that as a reason to consider him one.

Want to see the tactics of a actual fascist?

I'm by no means an expert, but I actually have read quite a few books on the subject, both on theory and history. I know what fascism is. Thanks anyway.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Biden's cognition has been in decline for quite a while now. unfortunately the mainstream liberal media have been doing a good job hiding it.

I don't think anyone can "hide it" at that point.

The guy's almost 80.

I don't know of many people who are still "mentally sharp" at 80.

When my Grandpa was still living and hit 80, he had a hard enough time trying to not confuse the grandkids' names and had a hard time staying awake through a movie.

I feel bad for Joe, he's at the age where you're supposed to be retired and squeezing in a round of golf or a card game between naps, not having one of the most stressful jobs a person can have.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Harris shouldn’t get automatic pass just because she is VP. I hope we have choice in primary.

The democrats as a whole should hope that Harris isn't the nominee. Her approval numbers aren't great.

What does America think of Kamala Harris? Follow the latest polls

It would seem she has a "lack of likeability" problem, and if she's going to be the nominee for her party, they'd better get that sorted out sooner than later.


With those numbers where they currently are, a Harris ticket would be a losing endeavor. She's seriously lagging in the key demographic groups that democrats heavily rely on (under 30, post-grad, and minority voters).

That obviously doesn't mean that people in those groups (who aren't keen on her) would vote republican, that likely wouldn't be the case either, but it could cause more people in those groups to just stay home on voting day due to lack of interest.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Oh, like declaring a Federal Emergency so that he could pilfer the defense budget to pay for ‘The Wall’?
Yeah that was different though, because reasons, huh.
Gaming-the-system for fun profit and power?
Delightful!

If not fascist, then at least authoritarian.

Did the last president mandate any drugs you are forced into your body to take to participate fully in society? NO? Well, there you have it.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

Did the last president mandate any drugs you are forced into your body to take to participate fully in society?

If you want the benefits of living in a society, you can take the responsibilities, too. One of those responsibilities is not being a walking disease vector. If that sounds like too much to handle, maybe society isn't for you.

NO? Well, there you have it.

There you have what, exactly? Finish that thought.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

If you want the benefits of living in a society, you can take the responsibilities, too. One of those responsibilities is not being a walking disease vector. If that sounds like too much to handle, maybe society isn't for you.

Everyone took all responsibilities. We stayed at home. We protected our elderly, usually going to the stores for them and delivering things. We wore gloves and masks and wiped our groceries down in the beginning.

Later we just wore masks and continue to do so in most of the country. Those who deemed it wise in conjunction with their own doctors got a vaccine or two or three. Others got Covid.

We discovered the vaccine neither prevented contraction nor transmission and that previous infection was just as protective. Hence, the most dangerous people out there were those who were sick, but had mild or no symptoms....exactly what the vaccine actually did rather than what a vaccine is supposed to do, prevent disease. The sick ones stayed home and recovered. You were most at risk by the vaccinated who were shedding all over the place (if infected) but whose symptoms were supposedly repressed by the vaccine. Understand what actually happened here, instead of buy what you were sold.

There was never ANY "responsibility" to take a new drug with Zero long term data and ZERO accountability on the part of the makers. It was a choice to be made between people and their doctors in all of history....until the fascism started.

This isn't our first rodeo. Most of us have some historical context and understanding. Some of us have Constitutional knowledge too.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

We discovered the vaccine neither prevented contraction nor transmission and that previous infection was just as protective.

"We" discovered no such thing. Stop getting your science from Infowars.

 

[TobiaAJoshua]

I don't think anyone can "hide it" at that point.

The guy's almost 80.

I don't know of many people who are still "mentally sharp" at 80.

When my Grandpa was still living and hit 80, he had a hard enough time trying to not confuse the grandkids' names and had a hard time staying awake through a movie.

I feel bad for Joe, he's at the age where you're supposed to be retired and squeezing in a round of golf or a card game between naps, not having one of the most stressful jobs a person can have.

you know, part of me also feel bad for Joe Biden

but here the thing though, he was already showing mental confusion during the primary, he knew he was not up to the job, yet instead of doing the right thing and drop out, he kept going.

that is very selfish to me.

if he really cared about Americans, he should have dropped out and allow someone younger to clinch the nomination.