Democrats Support Abortion

Torah Keeper · Aug 12, 2021

Dems, how can you be a member of a party that approves of murdering babies and selling their body parts on the black market?

I am not a member of any political party.

NxNW · Aug 12, 2021

Torah Keeper said:
Dems, how can you be a member of a party that approves of murdering babies and selling their body parts on the black market?

Which party is that?

Gene2memE · Aug 12, 2021

(Democrats, when did you stop beating your wives?)

Per Gallup data:

69% of Republicans think abortion should be legal in some circumstances (15% in all circumstances, 8% in most circumstances, 46% in limited circumstances)
EDIT here: 92% of Democrats think abortion should be legal in some circumstances (50% in all circumstances, 19% in most circumstances, 22% in limited circumstances)

So, it seems a large majority of BOTH Republicans and Democrats "approve of murdering babies and selling their body parts on the black market"

OR, there's an alternative explanation:

Both parties have much more nuanced stances that "no abortions for anyone ever" and "yay, profit from baby murder".

Here's some questions though - under which recent presidencies did US abortion rates increase? And, under which recent presidencies did US abortion rates fall the quickest?

Torah Keeper · Aug 12, 2021

First of all, read the title. And then read my post. You just admitted 98% of democrats support abortion. Why mention republicans? I told you I am not a member of any political party.

Your defense is basically, "Yeah, we killed 98 babies, but them other guys killed 69, so theys just as bad!"

You need to realize the evil in the system. Stop supporting it.

Nithavela · Aug 12, 2021

Torah Keeper said:
Dems, how can you be a member of a party that approves of murdering babies and selling their body parts on the black market?

I am not a member of any political party.

This is low quality bait.

Torah Keeper · Aug 12, 2021

And of course 2 atheists come to the defense on a Christian forum.

Nithavela · Aug 12, 2021

Torah Keeper said:
And of course 2 atheists come to the defense on a Christian forum.

If you want to only converse with other christians, the forum you are looking for is that-a-way:

Discussion and Debate (Christians only) | Christian Forums

Torah Keeper · Aug 12, 2021

You all seem to be dodging my original question. I didn't ask Christian democrats specifically. Although I don't see any coming to your defense.

I am of the opinion that life begins at conception and abortion is murder. There was recently a little girl born at 7.5 ounces. She lived.

Nithavela · Aug 12, 2021

Torah Keeper said:
You all seem to be dodging my original question. I didn't ask Christian democrats specifically. Although I don't see any coming to your defense.

I am of the opinion that life begins at conception and abortion is murder. There was recently a little girl born at 7.5 ounces. She lived.

Most of the posters in this forum are living in the USA, where it is now late evening on a worknight.

Have a little more patience.

Tanj · Aug 12, 2021

Torah Keeper said:
I didn't ask Christian democrats specifically.

No, you just complained when non Christians responded.

I am of the opinion that life begins at conception and abortion is murder.

I'm of the opinion your opinion is not the basis of the legal system in the USA. Murder is a legal term. Abortion isn't murder there, no matter how much you wish it was.

Gene2memE · Aug 12, 2021

Torah Keeper said:
First of all, read the title. And then read my post. You just admitted 98% of democrats support abortion. Why mention republicans?

You're the one who brought up one political side trying to tar them as profiting from baby murder. Every heard of the fallacy of poisoning the well?

Torah Keeper said:
I told you I am not a member of any political party.

I'm not either. I'm not even American. But, that's besides the point.

Torah Keeper said:
Your defense is basically, "Yeah, we killed 98 babies, but them other guys killed 69, so theys just as bad!"

You need to realize the evil in the system. Stop supporting it.

No, my defense is this:

Abortion is termination of a fetus ending a pregnancy. It is not murdering babies.

Body parts of babies are not being sold for profit. Fetal tissue is being donated for medical research, with recipients reimbursing for cost.

A majority of members of both major US political parties support abortion in some circumstances. Republicans favour making abortion legal in a minority of cases, Democrats favour making abortion legal in a majority of cases.

Abortion is a decision that is taken by a woman, but it should only be done so after consultation with her healthcare providers and anyone else affected by the decision
Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Consent to pregnancy is conditional and can be rescinded. A women should not be compelled to continue a pregnancy if she does not wish to.

Viability of the fetus outside the womb is a sensible legal dividing line between when a termination should be legal and when it should be illegal (in most circumstances)

The US is one of the most backwards looking countries in the Western world when it comes to abortion. It is also severely lacking in areas like comprehensive sex education and access to long lasting forms of contraception.

If those who were 'pro-life' were actually concerned about abortion - and not just using "baby murder" as a political/cultural/religious stick - then they would have embraced European/Canadian style sex education and a range of measures aimed at reducing pregnancy rates. They would also be actively pushing to remove religious biases in adoption programmes.

Fantine · Aug 12, 2021

Every Democrat i know is focused on all the good the party is trying to do through the infrastructure and human infrastructure plans, the January stimulus, and exec orders such as extending the eviction moratorium.

As you surely realize, there is no viable alternative to accomplish these programs that could be as significant as FDR'S and LBJ'S.

They address abortion in a holistic way. Eliminating child poverty. Making contraception available. Carrots that work better than the Republican stick.

Is either party perfect? No. Does it make an important difference in the lives of the 99% which party is in control? Yes.

You look at the Democratic party in a one-dimensional way, focused on a single issue that is minimal and peripheral to their platform.

Democrats look at the tremendous good they can accomplish.

Torah Keeper · Aug 12, 2021

I wouldn't call abortion a minimal issue. This isn't really a republican vs democrat thing. We really need to abolish the party system. Because it forces people to eat turd cake or turd pie. I don't want either.

So your reply is the most logical so far. Basically you vote for the lesser of 2 evils. But I have a better idea. Vote for the best candidate. Regardless of party. Even if you think there is no way a third party candidate can win.

FireDragon76 · Aug 12, 2021

Being pro-choice does not necessarily mean being pro-abortion. It's about believing in limited government unless the state has a compelling and overwhelming interest to intervene in someone's personal life.

Roe doesn't make a bad situation worse for many women, unlike pre-Roe, where many women died from back-alley abortions.

Bradskii · Aug 12, 2021

Torah Keeper said:
I am of the opinion that life begins at conception...

Your opinion is noted.

DamianWarS · Aug 12, 2021

Torah Keeper said:
Dems, how can you be a member of a party that approves of murdering babies and selling their body parts on the black market?

I am not a member of any political party.

Democrats support the right to abort which is different than the claim you're making. A Democrat may actually be against abortion personally but not against the right to abort. I'm not sure who you're talking about regarding supporting the black market, do you have sources to support this claim?

The IbanezerScrooge · Aug 12, 2021

Sorry, what's the point of this thread? Are you trying to warn people or something? Are you implying that Democrats are inherently evil or something? Are you just goading? Seems like it. I have some opinions about conservatives that you might be interested in.

TLK Valentine · Aug 12, 2021

Torah Keeper said:
I am of the opinion that life begins at conception and abortion is murder. There was recently a little girl born at 7.5 ounces. She lived.

That's nice.

Back when the first COVID stimulus checks were issued (you remember, the ones Donald tried to have his name printed on, lest we forget who to praise), how much money did a pregnant woman receive?

iluvatar5150 · Aug 12, 2021

Torah Keeper said:
Dems, how can you be a member of a party that approves of murdering babies and selling their body parts on the black market?

Well, if there's no legal market for the body parts, where else are you supposed to you sell them? Do you want them to just go to waste?

Arcangl86 · Aug 12, 2021

Simple, I don't think that abortion is "murdering babies" because I don't think fetuses and babies are the same thing. I don't particularly like abortions, but my opinions shouldn't govern other people's actions. Even if I agreed that they were "killing babies",they happened before Roe, with the result being a lot of women dying from back alley abortions. I prefer they stay legal and regulated rather then go back to that.

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