Democrats Run Away From Obamacare

[EdwinWillers]

-- A2SG, isn't better coverage a good thing?

How is a 2,200% increase in the cost of a colonoscopy "better coverage?"

Better yet, how is that a "good thing?"

 

[HonestTruth]

This is what the Republican Party did not want to happen...

Bad news for Republicans: Obamacare is helping their voters too


Not all Republicans agree; one is Irene Jacusis of New Port Richey, who was uninsured until now. “I did not vote for Obama," she said. "But I am so in love with this plan, with this health care plan, what can I do?"

She knows that her party wants to repeal it. "But I don’t think they’re going to," she said. "There are too many people out there who need this and require it.” She says her husband Ronald died last year from a rare sarcoma because he waited too long to see a doctor after he felt a lump.

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Another Republican who wants to keep the Affordable Care Act is Mary Fallon of St. Petersburg. She was a teacher for many years, but because she was paid from grant funds she didn’t qualify for health insurance. She had to buy her own policy, but then she got sick. Hello, pre-existing condition.



Some Republicans Love Obamacare | WUSF News


Bad news for Republicans: Obamacare is helping their voters too



Contrary to the right wing myths, Americans from BOTH parties are benefiting from Obamacare because it is saving money and lives.



Thank you Mr Obama!

 

[EdwinWillers]

Lol

 

[jayem]

One very good thing ACA has done is put the onus on opponents to come up with alternatives. Republicans are now offering proposals to cover high risk persons with pre-existing conditions, prohibiting lifetime benefit caps, and extending coverage for young people under their parent's policies. Health insurance will never go back to the way it was. ACA has permanently changed the paradigm. And that's progress.

 

[EdwinWillers]

One very good thing ACA has done is put the onus on opponents to come up with alternatives. Republicans are now offering proposals to cover high risk persons with pre-existing conditions, prohibiting lifetime benefit caps, and extending coverage for young people under their parent's policies. Health insurance will never go back to the way it was. ACA has permanently changed the paradigm. And that's progress.

Unbelievable! ​

The Democrats, against the expressed will of the American people, with total control of all 3 branches of government, shove through one of the worst bills ever concocted, a bill that only they voted for, one that they have demonstrated utter incompetence in implementing, one that they have since in open disregard for the constitution and judicial process have unlawfully modified, exempted, put off, and ignored now on numerous occasions - and that purely for the sake of mitigating the political fall out of their own ineptitude, sheer arrogance, and corruption...

...and now its unwavering supporters are saying they did all that to "put the onus on Republicans" to come up with a plan that works??? That getting to this point has been "a good thing," "has changed the paradigm," and "progress?"

There are no words that adequately express the chagrine, the sadness, the anger over the sheer political hubris of Democrats in this shameless boondoggle they've inflicted on the American people.

When the paradigm used to be a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people," but has now degenerated into one "of democrats, by democrats, and for democrats, but not because of Democrats," - one that Democrats are now distancing themselves from an unmitigated disaster purely of their own making, and excusing it as "a good thing" that puts the onus on their opponents to fix DEMOCRAT mistakes, is hubris on an order and magnitude that simply defies measure.

 

[jayem]

Unbelievable! ​

The Democrats, against the expressed will of the American people, with total control of all 3 branches of government, shove through one of the worst bills ever concocted, a bill that only they voted for, one that they have demonstrated utter incompetence in implementing, one that they have since in open disregard for the constitution and judicial process have unlawfully modified, exempted, put off, and ignored now on numerous occasions - and that purely for the sake of mitigating the political fall out of their own ineptitude, sheer arrogance, and corruption...

...and now its unwavering supporters are saying they did all that to "put the onus on Republicans" to come up with a plan that works??? That getting to this point has been "a good thing," "has changed the paradigm," and "progress?"

There are no words that adequately express the chagrine, the sadness, the anger over the sheer political hubris of Democrats in this shameless boondoggle they've inflicted on the American people.

When the paradigm used to be a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people," but has now degenerated into one "of democrats, by democrats, and for democrats, but not because of Democrats," - one that Democrats are now distancing themselves from an unmitigated disaster purely of their own making, and excusing it as "a good thing" that puts the onus on their opponents to fix DEMOCRAT mistakes, is hubris on an order and magnitude that simply defies measure.

Calm down. No need to get apoplectic. You see a donkey icon by my user name? I have little regard for either Dems or Repubs. And I have no fondness for ACA. I want to see it replaced with single-payer. My point is that ACA has made some necessary changes in the health insurance landscape, that even its most vehement opponents must acknowledge. Changes that will have to be adopted in any subsequent reform. That's a step in the right direction.

 

[Skaloop]

The Democrats, against the expressed will of the American people, with total control of all 3 branches of government,

The Democrats were elected to total control of all three branches of the government at the expressed will of the American people. And it's not like ACA wasn't a primary part of the Democrat platform.

 

[EdwinWillers]

Calm down. No need to get apoplectic. You see a donkey icon by my user name? I have little regard for either Dems or Repubs. And I have no fondness for ACA. I want to see it replaced with single-payer. My point is that ACA has made some necessary changes in the health insurance landscape, that even its most vehement opponents must acknowledge. Changes that will have to be adopted in any subsequent reform. That's a step in the right direction.

Not apoplectic, just totally chagrined that anyone would characterize obamacare as "progress," as a "step in the right direction."

 

[TheGuide]

I signed up for Obamacare. My policy is so much better than the $900+ a month policy I was quoted before Obamacare (I'm 62). My premiums are $339.00 per month, which is substantially more than the 'nothing' I was paying before while taking my chances not to get sick enough to see a doctor, but it's affordable and I appreciate having it because I'm no longer young.

There are people who are upset they loss their old policies with doctor attached to them that they liked. And the President did say they could keep their policies, which I think he believed, as did his fierce opponents who would've been all over this potential loss if they knew the insurance companies would cancel the policies. Yet self-interest wins out for me, because I haven't had health insurance since being laid off in 2001. And now I do. And those who loss policies should stop complaining and get on the marketplace.

 

[Avniel]

It's a loss for americans, how much tax dollars went to the flaws of a horrible law. Obamacare was a bad idea, the people that are suffering the most due to it are the American people. I don't see how this is a win for either party and I think that is the main issue with politics in america. THe politicians see things in a very self surviving way.

 

[MachZer0]

I signed up for Obamacare. My policy is so much better than the $900+ a month policy I was quoted before Obamacare (I'm 62). My premiums are $339.00 per month, which is substantially more than the 'nothing' I was paying before while taking my chances not to get sick enough to see a doctor, but it's affordable and I appreciate having it because I'm no longer young.

There are people who are upset they loss their old policies with doctor attached to them that they liked. And the President did say they could keep their policies, which I think he believed, as did his fierce opponents who would've been all over this potential loss if they knew the insurance companies would cancel the policies. Yet self-interest wins out for me, because I haven't had health insurance since being laid off in 1961. And now I do. And those who loss policies should stop complaining and get on the marketplace.

If you're 62 you were born around 1952 which means you were 9 years old when you got laid off in 1961. I have trouble believing that

 

[dogs4thewin]

One very good thing ACA has done is put the onus on opponents to come up with alternatives. Republicans are now offering proposals to cover high risk persons with pre-existing conditions, prohibiting lifetime benefit caps, and extending coverage for young people under their parent's policies. Health insurance will never go back to the way it was. ACA has permanently changed the paradigm. And that's progress.

They need to drop coverage of young people to 24 that is IT any older than that get it yourself. Keep in mind that gives me LESS than 1.5 years remaining on my father's plan and I UNDERSTAND that.

 

[EdwinWillers]

If you're 62 you were born around 1952 which means you were 9 years old when you got laid off in 1961. I have trouble believing that

LOL. I suppose she might have been 10, depending. The important thing is that the sales pitch worked.

 

[Vylo]

I signed up for Obamacare. My policy is so much better than the $900+ a month policy I was quoted before Obamacare (I'm 62). My premiums are $339.00 per month, which is substantially more than the 'nothing' I was paying before while taking my chances not to get sick enough to see a doctor, but it's affordable and I appreciate having it because I'm no longer young.

There are people who are upset they loss their old policies with doctor attached to them that they liked. And the President did say they could keep their policies, which I think he believed, as did his fierce opponents who would've been all over this potential loss if they knew the insurance companies would cancel the policies. Yet self-interest wins out for me, because I haven't had health insurance since being laid off in 1961. And now I do. And those who loss policies should stop complaining and get on the marketplace.

You got laid off when you were 9 years old (what?!) and haven't found work in the following 51 years?

I'm hoping this is a series of typos.

 

[dogs4thewin]

You got laid off when you were 9 years old (what?!) and haven't found work in the following 51 years?

I'm hoping this is a series of typos.

Either that or a joke.

 

[DaisyDay]

You got laid off when you were 9 years old (what?!) and haven't found work in the following 51 years?

I'm hoping this is a series of typos.

1961 probably is a typo, but being employed, even full-time, is not the same as having insurance if you work for a small business or if you're self-employed or a contractor.

 

[DaisyDay]

They need to drop coverage of young people to 24 that is IT any older than that get it yourself. Keep in mind that gives me LESS than 1.5 years remaining on my father's plan and I UNDERSTAND that.

Why do they need to drop that?

 

[Skaloop]

They need to drop coverage of young people to 24 that is IT any older than that get it yourself. Keep in mind that gives me LESS than 1.5 years remaining on my father's plan and I UNDERSTAND that.

Why 24? Why not 23? Or 22? Or 21? Or 12? Why is 24 better than 25 or 26 or 30?

Also, how crucial or important is it for you to be on your father's plan or not? Are you employed such that you can get your own coverage? Do you have any serious medical issues that are better taken care of under your father's coverage? Just because you are willing to sacrifice your healthcare for 1.5 years, does that mean others, who may be in vastly different situations than you, have to as well?

If you don't want to be on your father's coverage, I'm sure you can drop it. Or at least, not use it. Will you do that? Nobody's forcing you to claim anything under your father's plan. But will you claim it under your father's plan the next time you go to the doctor? The next time you need expensive prescription medication, or the next time you need surgery? Within the next year and a half?

 

[A2SG]

Uh, yeah.

Then show me where the law mandates rate increases.

-- A2SG, take your time, I'll wait....

 

[A2SG]

Cute. Nowhere in the law, tmk, does obamacare specify that companies that charged $50 for colonoscopies must now charge $1,100 for them. Frankly, I doubt there are any provisions in the law for specific rates for anything.

Good point.

So, why blame the law for those rate increases?

--A2SG, I'd say blame the guys increasing the rates....but that's me....