democrats and the articles of impeachment

[dogs4thewin]

If the democrats feel that Trump is a threat or even if they simply feel that his actions are morally wrong why not send the articles to the senate? In either case the security threat or the morally wrong case it is true even if the senate does not vote to remove him. If they TRULY feel that what Trump did was wrong ( as opposed to just not liking him why not put it on the senate and send the articles over right after the vote?

 

[civilwarbuff]

IMO they know they don't have a leg to stand on. Even if no senator had voiced an opinion on impeachment prior to now I don't think any reasonable person would come to the conclusion that there was any violation worthy of conviction.

 

[hedrick]

Because the person who would be in charge in the Senate has said he's working with the President to get him off. It's reasonable that the House would want to make sure there will be an actual trial.

 

[dogs4thewin]

IMO they know they don't have a leg to stand on. Even if no senator had voiced an opinion on impeachment prior to now I don't think any reasonable person would come to the conclusion that there was any violation worthy of conviction.

but if they truly felt that Trump was a threat or that his actions were morally wrong that should not matter they would send it over just because it was the right thing to do and if there was no conviction then it would be on the senate, but by voting to impeach and then not making the decision to send it over there it would not be unreasonable to conclude that the reason for the impeachment was they did not like him. Even in a regular trial the DA will sometimes DROP charges if they see there is not enough, but that does not mean that they simply file and do nothing ( if they do the statuate of limitations will run and it will not matter if they have all the prove in the world.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Because the person who would be in charge in the Senate has said he's working with the President to get him off. It's reasonable that the House would want to make sure there will be an actual trial.

none of that should matter if they honestly feel they have a case ( especially if they feel he is a threat to national security.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Because the person who would be in charge in the Senate has said he's working with the President to get him off. It's reasonable that the House would want to make sure there will be an actual trial.

It is not reasonable to think that withholding the articles would accomplish that. In addition it is not the House but only the Speaker that is holding this up. That being the case, people with good reason to be skeptical of Speaker Pelosi's motives don't put much stock in her wish to have an actual trial as being a reasonable motive for what she is doing. The Senate would have no choice but to conduct an actual trial if the articles were presented to it as such a trial is Constitutionally mandated. There are people on both sides of the political divide that suspect she has motives that are purely political in nature.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

It is not reasonable to think that withholding the articles would accomplish that. In addition it is not the House but only the Speaker that is holding this up. That being the case, people with good reason to be skeptical of Speaker Pelosi's motives don't put much stock in her wish to have an actual trial as being a reasonable motive for what she is doing. The Senate would have no choice but to conduct an actual trial if the articles were presented to it as such a trial is Constitutionally mandated. There are people on both sides of the political divide that suspect she has motives that are purely political in nature.

Impeachment is a purely political process so it should be no surprise that both sides are looking at how the politics of this process will play out for them. I don’t know enough about constitutional law or the politics of impeachment to say whether either side is making a good decision or not in any of this. I’m just happy to watch it all go down.

 

[Bobber]

If the democrats feel that Trump is a threat or even if they simply feel that his actions are morally wrong why not send the articles to the senate? In either case the security threat or the morally wrong case it is true even if the senate does not vote to remove him. If they TRULY feel that what Trump did was wrong ( as opposed to just not liking him why not put it on the senate and send the articles over right after the vote?

Especially seeing they viewed the whole situation as so urgent they couldn't wait to allow certain things to play out in the Courts. The Democratic politicians said as well they were doing this for the kids and grand kids! Don't they care about them anymore?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Because the person who would be in charge in the Senate has said he's working with the President to get him off. It's reasonable that the House would want to make sure there will be an actual trial.

Hmmmm.....then maybe Mitch should have stepped into the house inquiry and demanded that Schiff & Co. and their adherents not conduct the inquiry or have a vote when it came to the articles of impeachment....i mean being how prejudicial they were and all. After all, fair and impartial should apply to both sides of the fence, don't your agree.....

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Especially seeing they viewed the whole situation as so urgent they couldn't wait to allow certain things to play out in the Courts. The Democratic politicians said as well they were doing this for the kids and grand kids! Don't they care about them anymore?

The point was that they couldn’t wait for the election to settle the matter because Trump’s alleged actions directly threatened the integrity of the coming elections. Trump has been impeached so whether they continue with the process now, the week of Christmas and New Years while Congress is not in session, or they start early January makes no difference to the reason they wanted the impeachment to not be dragged out any longer.

 

[civilwarbuff]

The point was that they couldn’t wait for the election to settle the matter because Trump’s alleged actions directly threatened the integrity of the coming elections.

How?

 

[Bobber]

Because the person who would be in charge in the Senate has said he's working with the President to get him off. It's reasonable that the House would want to make sure there will be an actual trial.

Then you send over the Articles and allow the Democratic politicians to make their case there as to whether it's an legit trial or not! How is it that the leader of the House ge's to tell the leader of the Senate how to do HIS business? Her business is to file the complaint. His business is to deal with it and if it's actually dealt with in an inappropriate manner that's a discussion for another day.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

How?

Because he’s been charged of trying to cheat in the coming election. That’s the whole point of the abuse of power that Trump was using his office to gain an advantage over Biden.

 

[Bobber]

How?

I've been asking the same question when I've heard this.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I've been asking the same question when I've heard this.

You don’t know what Trump has been accused of doing with Ukraine and why and to what benefit?

It’s one thing to ignore the evidence but to flat out ignore the base accusations and their implication to the coming elections is a new level of disconnect.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Impeachment is a purely political process so it should be no surprise that both sides are looking at how the politics of this process will play out for them. I don’t know enough about constitutional law or the politics of impeachment to say whether either side is making a good decision or not in any of this. I’m just happy to watch it all go down.

Pass the popcorn!! The Show isn't even CLOSE to being over - it'll take 5 more years.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Pass the popcorn!! The Show isn't even CLOSE to being over - it'll take 5 more years.

Trump certainly has been more of an entertainer than a president.

How fitting for us.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Because he’s been charged of trying to cheat in the coming election. That’s the whole point of the abuse of power that Trump was using his office to gain an advantage over Biden.

So, you have EVIDENCE of a QPQ....good, I have been asking for someone who can supply that....what's the evidence that investigating corruption in Ukraine was going to benefit Trump in the election? I can't wait to hear the evidence....

 

[civilwarbuff]

I've been asking the same question when I've heard this.

Well, maybe @GoldenBoy89 is about to enlighten us.....

 

[dogs4thewin]

The point was that they couldn’t wait for the election to settle the matter because Trump’s alleged actions directly threatened the integrity of the coming elections. Trump has been impeached so whether they continue with the process now, the week of Christmas and New Years while Congress is not in session, or they start early January makes no difference to the reason they wanted the impeachment to not be dragged out any longer.

Impeachment is supposed to be about national security and criminal offenses not the party of anyone involved, but the fact that the democrats ddid not send the articles over after such a rush points to political motives; otherwise they would have put it on the senate to fail or not if they had pure motives.