Democratic official changes dismantle-the-police tune after vicious attack, carjacking

[HARK!]

A Democratic official who called for dismantling the police at the height of the Black Lives Matter protests was singing a different tune after being carjacked and viciously beaten in her driveway in front of her children.

Shivanthi Sathanandan, second vice chairwoman of the Minnesota Democrat-Farmer-Labor Party, posted a photo of herself with blood streaking down her face, saying she suffered a broken leg, bruises, cuts, and deep lacerations on her head in the attack.

Ms. Sathanandan went on to demand consequences, saying “we need to get illegal guns off the street, catch these young people who are running wild creating chaos across our city and,” changing into screaming all capital letters, “hold them in custody and prosecute them. Period.”

Democratic official changes dismantle-the-police tune after vicious attack, carjacking

A Democratic official who called for dismantling the police at the height of the Black Lives Matter protests was singing a different tune after being carjacked and viciously beaten in her driveway in front of her children.

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[chevyontheriver]

A Democratic official who called for dismantling the police at the height of the Black Lives Matter protests was singing a different tune after being carjacked and viciously beaten in her driveway in front of her children.

Shivanthi Sathanandan, second vice chairwoman of the Minnesota Democrat-Farmer-Labor Party, posted a photo of herself with blood streaking down her face, saying she suffered a broken leg, bruises, cuts, and deep lacerations on her head in the attack.

Ms. Sathanandan went on to demand consequences, saying “we need to get illegal guns off the street, catch these young people who are running wild creating chaos across our city and,” changing into screaming all capital letters, “hold them in custody and prosecute them. Period.”

Democratic official changes dismantle-the-police tune after vicious attack, carjacking

A Democratic official who called for dismantling the police at the height of the Black Lives Matter protests was singing a different tune after being carjacked and viciously beaten in her driveway in front of her children.

www.washingtontimes.com

I will not enter Minneapolis but drive around it. Same goes for the other woke Meccas of the USA. They have lost their marbles in those places.

Hoping sanity returns some day. Not presuming that will be any time soon though.

 

[Ceallaigh]

This has gotten so bad for so long in so many areas, it might have crossed the point of no return.

 

[eleos1954]

A Democratic official who called for dismantling the police at the height of the Black Lives Matter protests was singing a different tune after being carjacked and viciously beaten in her driveway in front of her children.

Shivanthi Sathanandan, second vice chairwoman of the Minnesota Democrat-Farmer-Labor Party, posted a photo of herself with blood streaking down her face, saying she suffered a broken leg, bruises, cuts, and deep lacerations on her head in the attack.

Ms. Sathanandan went on to demand consequences, saying “we need to get illegal guns off the street, catch these young people who are running wild creating chaos across our city and,” changing into screaming all capital letters, “hold them in custody and prosecute them. Period.”

Democratic official changes dismantle-the-police tune after vicious attack, carjacking

A Democratic official who called for dismantling the police at the height of the Black Lives Matter protests was singing a different tune after being carjacked and viciously beaten in her driveway in front of her children.

www.washingtontimes.com

“we need to get illegal guns off the street"

No, we need to get criminals off the streets (this is not done by defunding/dismantling the police) and yes they should be prosecuted, however MANY MANY are not.

She's trying to have her cake and eat it too.

The police certainly has their "bad apples" ... but less "bad apples" in the police department than there is on the streets.

So ... does one want to live with the police "bad apples" or the criminals "bad apples" .... I would rather deal with the police "bad apples".

 

[Pommer]

“we need to get illegal guns off the street"

No, we need to get criminals off the streets (this is not done by defunding/dismantling the police) and yes they should be prosecuted, however MANY MANY are not.

She's trying to have her cake and eat it too.

The police certainly has their "bad apples" ... but less "bad apples" in the police department than there is on the streets.

So ... does one want to live with the police "bad apples" or the criminals "bad apples" .... I would rather deal with the police "bad apples".

How many prisons will we need to take “criminals off of the streets”?
Will we be housing criminals who inhabit penthouses too?

 

[HARK!]

How many prisons will we need to take “criminals off of the streets”?

It's questions like that which are at the root of the problem. the U.S has more people incarcerated than any other nation in the world, yet many other nations experience far less crime. Take the Philippines for example. There is extreme poverty in the Philippines; but they are some of the most loving, kind, people in the world. When it comes to crime; the penalties are stiff; so their people are less likely to commit crimes. Even yelling aggressively at someone in public is illegal. The result: Kind respectful people, low crime, and low prison population.

 

[durangodawood]

....Even yelling aggressively at someone in public is illegal....

Americans would have a "liberty" objection to that.

 

[durangodawood]

"Defund the police!" had a predictably short half life anyway.

The center left - thats most of em - dropped it pretty quick after a bit of consideration. I'm glad for police generally tho I appreciate that theres a lot of really bad attitudes in some departments.

 

[HARK!]

Americans would have a "liberty" objection to that.

It's true that some Americans feel entitled to break disorderly conduct laws, in areas where it is selectively enforced,

 

[Pommer]

It's questions like that which are at the root of the problem. the U.S has more people incarcerated than any other nation in the world, yet many other nations experience far less crime. Take the Philippines for example. There is extreme poverty in the Philippines; but they are some of the most loving, kind, people in the world. When it comes to crime; the penalties are stiff; so their people are less likely to commit crimes. Even yelling aggressively at someone in public is illegal. The result: Kind respectful people, low crime, and low prison population.

Freedom is messy, yes.

 

[durangodawood]

It's true that some Americans feel entitled to break disorderly conduct laws, in areas where it is selectively enforced,

I mean they would reject such a law in the first place on the basis of "liberty". Just look at how some prominent public figures behave and how many of their fans like it.

 

[JosephZ]

The U.S has more people incarcerated than any other nation in the world, yet many other nations experience far less crime. Take the Philippines for example. There is extreme poverty in the Philippines; but they are some of the most loving, kind, people in the world. When it comes to crime; the penalties are stiff; so their people are less likely to commit crimes.

Despite having some of the most loving and kind people in the world and stiff penalties when it comes to crime, there's still plenty of crime taking place in the Philippines.

The Philippines has had a higher homicide rate than the US nearly every year for the past 30 years.

Organized Crime:

Countries’ criminality scores are made up of the average of ten criminal markets and four criminal actor types. While encompassing a range of activities, criminal markets can be thought of as the political, social and economic systems surrounding all stages of the illicit trade and/or exploitation of commodities or people. Criminal actor scores are based on assessments of the structure, control and influence of groups engaged in organized criminal activities. The higher the criminality score a country has, the more severe its criminality conditions are.

https://ocindex.net/country/united_states/philippines

 

[ThatRobGuy]

It's questions like that which are at the root of the problem. the U.S has more people incarcerated than any other nation in the world, yet many other nations experience far less crime. Take the Philippines for example. There is extreme poverty in the Philippines; but they are some of the most loving, kind, people in the world. When it comes to crime; the penalties are stiff; so their people are less likely to commit crimes. Even yelling aggressively at someone in public is illegal. The result: Kind respectful people, low crime, and low prison population.

The Philippines isn't exactly a low-crime mecca... Their murder rates are higher than ours, and their property crime rates are just barely under ours if memory serves.

But that aside...

The problem is a multi-faceted one.

While it's true that some countries have such staunch penalties (even for trivial things), that people walk on eggshells non-stop because they're afraid of getting their hand chopped off or beheaded...but I don't think that's the kind of environment any of us would want to live in either.

...but on the flip side "Decriminalize things to a ridiculous degree" and it's extreme counterpart of "let's lock everyone up and throw away the key" aren't feasible either.

At the root of the problem, it's an issue of incentive structures.

If a large enough group of people are put in the poverty position of "engage in crime" or "be flat broke and not know where my next meal is coming from", there will always be a percentage of people who choose the former.

While most people like to think of themselves as moral (and are currently acting as such because all of their needs and most of their wants are being met), there would probably be a surprising number who would quickly devolve into street crime if they were have their comforts jeopardized.

I think of the lesson to be learned in the movie Trading Places. Dan Akroyd's character is a fairly well-to-do respected member of the business community, he gets that taken away, and within a month he's stealing and trying to hold up people with a gun.




The best way to address it is to try to tackle upstream, rather than argue about the best way to treat the symptoms down the line.


For example, there are westernized countries in Europe that have ample freedoms, don't have a police state, don't have to lock a lot of people up, but can still boast much lower crime rates than what we have here, despite having criminal justice policies that closely mimic what a lot of the blue cities are trying to do.

But they also have more generous social safety nets than we do...and that's a topic that a lot of people here don't want to entertain.

If one is realistic enough to understand the reality that X% of people (who would otherwise act morally) will resort to immoral activity if their needs aren't being met...it's worth trying to make that option a little less enticing.

But there's a balance there, it obviously doesn't mean giving every person who refuses to work $65k/year as that wouldn't be sustainable either.