Democratic Debate

[LoAmmi]

They may not doubt it. However, that's the record of this particular exchange--a Republican wrote something and the response was to ask why that would make sense.

People should be able to back up their statements if they are questioned. That he is a Republican is of no more consequence in my mind than if he were anything else. I read the statement and found it somewhat objectionable so I asked.

Sounds reasonable to me, but we Americans do tend to think that war heroes have the moral fiber and judgment necessary for national leadership. Maybe we're nuts for thinking that way, but the record is there.

Grant turned out to be a great President, didn't he?

 

[Albion]

People should be able to back up their statements if they are questioned. That he is a Republican is of no more consequence in my mind than if he were anything else. I read the statement and found it somewhat objectionable so I asked.

From what I can tell, that's pretty much the same thing I said in my last post.

Grant turned out to be a great President, didn't he?

Rate all the others too and let's see how well officers did overall--Washington, Jackson, T. Roosevelt, etc.

 

[LoAmmi]

Rate all the others too and let's see how well officers did overall--Washington, Jackson, T. Roosevelt, etc.

It's a mixed bag.

 

[Albion]

It's a mixed bag.

What's the "mix?" U.S. Grant was worse than the others?

No, that's no "mixed bag." If there's to be an analogy, what you want to say is something about "bad apple."

 

[LoAmmi]

What's the "mix?" U.S. Grant was worse than the others?

No, that's no "mixed bag." If there's to be an analogy, what you want to say is something about "bad apple."

Andrew Johnson was a general, though I'd say his bad presidency might not be his fault.

Franklin Pierce also was a general and he is always on the worst president lists.

There are others.

 

[LoAmmi]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_military_service

Take a look at this list.

Even Nixon was a commander in the military.

 

[Tallguy88]

Nixon was a decent president. Paranoid and a schemer, but a good administrator.

 

[parousia70]

I fixed the spelling. Now the grammar is correct.

Ok, You still refuse to call it by it's real name, but now you do so with correct grammar.
Congratulations.

 

[LoAmmi]

Nixon was a decent president. Paranoid and a schemer, but a good administrator.

I think the whole criminal thing overshadows anything he did otherwise but I would be inclined to agree. Without him there might not be any relations with China.

 

[parousia70]

I fixed the spelling. Now the grammar is correct.

Not as long as the Democrat party has .....

The Democrat party is ....

Is this pathological with you? Can you not help it? Or do you do this on purpose?

 

[Hank77]

Brother there is a huge difference between socialism and social democracy. The USSR was socialism, Norway and Denmark are social democracies. Socialism is state ownership of enterprise, social democracy is a regulated market economy working in tandem with a large social safety-net. Bernie Sanders supports social democracy, not socialism. He uses the phrase "democratic socialism" because that is what those parties who advocate social democracy tend to call themselves. It is a matter of vernacular, not of substance. Again, Bernie Sanders is advocating social democracy. The church has condemned socialism, NOT social democracy. In fact, Catholic social teaching seems to mesh very nicely with social democracy.

I hope Bernie Sanders wins. I can't vote for him because he supports legalized abortions, but given that neither party will stop the holocaust of babies in this country anyway, I hope Bernie wins, because he at least will work to end the vast disparity of income in this country which is causing so much human suffering. My support of social democratic theory is as an application of Catholic social teaching to politics. A regulated market economy that takes care of the poor and vulnerable is self-evidently the more just and compassionate economic system when compared to free-market or crony capitalism.

I think I understand where you are coming from.

I don't understand people who want abortions to stop but at the same time want to take away safety nets that actually can help some not to choose abortion. It seems like such a contradiction to me.
It may be harsh on my part but I separate us into two groups, the Pro Birthers and the Pro Lifers. From your statement I'd put you in my truly Pro Life group. God Bless you.

 

[Tallguy88]

I think the whole criminal thing overshadows anything he did otherwise but I would be inclined to agree. Without him there might not be any relations with China.

There's an old Vulcan proverb: Only Nixon could go to China

 

[Cos-play]

I suppose you ought to ask the Democrats that question, considering that they wanted to run General Eisenhower as their nominee for president

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Ike's Military resume was hardly typical and he didn't sell himself as a "war hero" but a knowledgeable and component leader, an expert on international affairs and his total support of the New Deal.

did nominate John Kennedy and make a big deal out of his service on a PT boat

Sold himself a qualified to be president on his social policies mostly and not as a "war hero".

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and tried to sell the country on the idea that John Kerry was qualified to be president in 2004 mainly because he was supposed to be a war hero.

Kerry sold himself as a long time Senator who was Ivy League trained in policy and foreign affairs. The GOP tried to make him a fake "war hero" by claiming that as a twice decorated purple heart winner and a Silver Star recipient he hadn't been valorous nor wounded enough.

Ya gotta love the way the GOP loves the troops

 

[Cos-play]

Andrew Johnson was a general, though I'd say his bad presidency might not be his fault.

Franklin Pierce also was a general and he is always on the worst president lists.

There are others.

In fairness I think we should keep the discussion to at least the era after the military was professionalized. Prior to about the end of the Civil war about half the officer corps had bought the way into a commission.

 

[Cos-play]

Nixon was a decent president. Paranoid and a schemer, but a good administrator.

Really Tall ?

"a good administrate"

Al Capone was a good administrator.

(I really assume you're make a joke on the value of "administrator", and, btw, it's hilarious. If you're being serious, I apologize for the mistake)

 

[Erose]

Why would a war hero be qualified for the job?

Look at Mr Webb's qualifications. Seriously they speak for themselves. Quite frankly he is the most qualified presidential hopeful on both sides of the isle.

Look I don't think the Repubs are much better. Their two best candidates IMHO are no longer in the race.

If Obama has taught us one thing on the job training doesn't work in the Oval Office.

 

[Erose]

Still diss the Saunders contentious ....

....And still no mention of the troll in Kentucky who is still a hero who deserves protection.

Still an intriguing dichotomy

Because I thought I made my point clear on the subject in the post. The military does have exceptions for COs. Quite frankly that is all the woman in Kentucky wants as well.

Seriously do you guys really want religion shoved underground and only secularist working in the government? It's not like COs are not already in play in government jobs.

 

[Cos-play]

Because I thought I made my point clear on the subject in the post. The military does have exceptions for COs. Quite frankly that is all the woman in Kentucky wants as well.

My point is that if a CO in a war is a "Draft Dodger" (your words dude)

Then if the Troll gets a an exception can I call her, I don't know, how about

"A welfare queen living off the goverment teat" because she's refusing to do her job ?

I mean, fair is fair.

Seriously do you guys really want religion shoved underground and only secularist working in the government? It's not like COs are not already in play in government jobs.

I'm going with yes on this one.

If you want a government job that requires you to enforce secular laws and you can't see your way to contentiously enforce those laws you need to not be in that goverment job.

A CO in a war is objecting to being forced into service - the idea of a CO in an all volunteer army is sort of stupid. "I want to join the Army but I'm a CO so pay me for being in the Army but leave me alone otherwise"

Same thing with the Troll. "I want my paycheck I just only want to enforce laws I like".

 

[MikeK]

I suppose you ought to ask the Democrats that question, considering that they wanted to run General Eisenhower as their nominee for president, did nominate John Kennedy and make a big deal out of his service on a PT boat, and tried to sell the country on the idea that John Kerry was qualified to be president in 2004 mainly because he was supposed to be a war hero.

I don't recall his party primarily pimping John Kerry as a war hero. Ditto either Bush or Carter. They were men who served (Kerry and Bush1 in direct and dangerous combat) and in the case of Kerry and Bush2, had their service unfairly questioned by losers. Their service was certainly admirable, but not individually heroic in the sense that JFK's was.

 

[Albion]

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Ike's Military resume was hardly typical and he didn't sell himself as a "war hero" but a knowledgeable and component leader

There is no question, however, that the public considered him to be a war hero--and that was the point there.

Kerry sold himself as a long time Senator who was Ivy League trained in policy and foreign affairs.

Baloney. Have you completely forgotten that it was planned that when he first stepped onto the stage at the Dem National Convention he immediately stopped and gave a military salute to the delegates and home viewers in order to play that role? Laughably affected, but that was the story his campaign and the DNC had decided to sell in tandem with them calling Bush a draft dodger. Oh yes. And there had been a lot of build-up about his alleged leadership in VietNam. All of that was ruined by the "Swift boat" veterans, but that was indeed the Democrat game plan.