Democrat vs Republican is not Left vs Right

[MorkandMindy]

Democrat vs Republican is not Left vs Right it is a class conflict.

This became particularly clear in the 2016 election when one candidate had supported the TPP to allow cheap manufactured items from East Asia easier access to (flood) the US market.

This was a clear disadvantage to the US waged manufacturing class who were understandably not happy with further loss of jobs/pay/conditions, whereas the Middle Class would get bigger profits by reducing manufacturing costs, and getting cheaper items to sell at similar retail prices.

Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump both stated in their primary aims bringing back manufacturing jobs, not an easy trick once manufacturing has departed, but it can be done.

This could have made choosing between them difficult except I had a long history on the left in England so Bernie was my obvious choice, but then he was taken off the ballot in favor of someone very different.

Hillary Clinton had been busy up until then starting wars, supporting TPP and giving talks to the banks to reassure them that she was their 'man'.


Now which of the two, Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton would a working man/woman choose?

 

[Not David]

Democrat vs Republican is not Left vs Right it is a class conflict.

This became particularly clear in the 2016 election when one candidate had supported the TPP to allow cheap manufactured items from East Asia easier access to (flood) the US market.

This was a clear disadvantage to the US waged manufacturing class who were understandably not happy with further loss of jobs/pay/conditions, whereas the Middle Class would get bigger profits by reducing manufacturing costs, and getting cheaper items to sell at similar retail prices.

Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump both stated in their primary aims bringing back manufacturing jobs, not an easy trick once manufacturing has departed, but it can be done.

This could have made choosing between them difficult except I had a long history on the left in England so Bernie was my obvious choice, but then he was taken off the ballot in favor of someone very different.

Hillary Clinton had been busy up until then starting wars, supporting TPP and giving talks to the banks to reassure them that she was their 'man'.


Now which of the two, Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton would a working man/woman choose?

I think it makes more sense to talk about "Republican" and "Democrat" politicians. They are different from the Republican and Democrat non-politicians.

 

[SummerMadness]

The proper word is "Democratic," using epithets like Democrat politician is disrespectful and horrible grammar.

 

[Rubiks]

The goodness of unrestricted free trade is one of the things economists agree on the most. (note that economics is a soft science and will never reach a consensus like global warming or evolution)

The informed voter would go for Hilary in this case.

 

[Rubiks]

The proper word is "Democratic," using epithets like Democrat politician is disrespectful and horrible grammar.

It's not wrong. Grammar and syntax changes over time, and its ultimately no different from using "Republican" and both a noun and an adjective instead of "Republicanic"

 

[carlv_52]

It's not wrong. Grammar and syntax changes over time, and its ultimately no different from using "Republican" and both a noun and an adjective instead of "Republicanic"

Cannot tell you how much joy I got out of the "Whatsit v Doodah" attachment in your .sig file.

 

[SummerMadness]

It's not wrong. Grammar and syntax changes over time, and its ultimately no different from using "Republican" and both a noun and an adjective instead of "Republicanic"

It is wrong, just because one word can be both an adjective and a noun does not mean another word is the same. Democrat is the noun, Democratic is the adjective. Republican is both a noun and adjective. This is not about changes over time, it's about applying an epithet to a political party because you don't want to say they are democratic.

 

[Albion]

Democrat vs Republican is not Left vs Right it is a class conflict.

This became particularly clear in the 2016 election when one candidate had supported the TPP to allow cheap manufactured items from East Asia easier access to (flood) the US market.

This was a clear disadvantage to the US waged manufacturing class who were understandably not happy with further loss of jobs/pay/conditions, whereas the Middle Class would get bigger profits by reducing manufacturing costs, and getting cheaper items to sell at similar retail prices.

Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump both stated in their primary aims bringing back manufacturing jobs, not an easy trick once manufacturing has departed, but it can be done.

This could have made choosing between them difficult except I had a long history on the left in England so Bernie was my obvious choice, but then he was taken off the ballot in favor of someone very different.

Hillary Clinton had been busy up until then starting wars, supporting TPP and giving talks to the banks to reassure them that she was their 'man'.


Now which of the two, Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton would a working man/woman choose?

The basic point you made is correct. Not ever last member of either party believes the way the leadership and candidates do--on every last issue, no less. But the two parties are quite polarized now, as they were not a couple of generations ago, and most voters are not single-issue voters.

 

[Hieronymus]

I wouldn't go so far as to say the GOP has any connection to the Constitution....

It's not far, and why not?
1sr and 2nd amendments are under fire of the left.
But this is not necessarily about GOP vs DNC.

certainly no more than the DNC is somehow "communist".

Sanders and AOC are though.
And you'll find that much of the left's ideas come from communists and socialists.

We DO have a sitting GOP president who is far more friendly with and cozy with and even seems to share much of the same policy angles as an ex-KGB officer who appears to be attempting to re-structure the old USSR. But that's something we shouldn't think too hard about right now.

It should be time people awake from the Russia Russia Russia fake news hype i.m.h.o.

 

[ewq1938]

Democrat vs Republican is not Left vs Right

No, for the most part Democrats are liberal and on the left, and for the most part Republicans are conservative and on the right.

 

[Pommer]

No, for the most part Democrats are liberal and on the left, and for the most part Republicans are conservative and on the right.

And when that happens it’s called “polarization”, it’s effectively one huge party with extreme “left and right wings”.

 

[Albion]

No, for the most part Democrats are liberal and on the left, and for the most part Republicans are conservative and on the right.

The issue really is how far to the left or right either of them are.

At present, the driving force of the one party is moving into extreme left-wing territory while the other remains basically where it has been for some time, moderately right.

 

[bèlla]

I vote according to the policies that will help me accomplish my purpose. Given the business focus, I land on the Republican side. But personally speaking, both are bad.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Democrat vs Republican is not Left vs Right it is a class conflict.

This became particularly clear in the 2016 election when one candidate had supported the TPP to allow cheap manufactured items from East Asia easier access to (flood) the US market.

This was a clear disadvantage to the US waged manufacturing class who were understandably not happy with further loss of jobs/pay/conditions, whereas the Middle Class would get bigger profits by reducing manufacturing costs, and getting cheaper items to sell at similar retail prices.

Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump both stated in their primary aims bringing back manufacturing jobs, not an easy trick once manufacturing has departed, but it can be done.

This could have made choosing between them difficult except I had a long history on the left in England so Bernie was my obvious choice, but then he was taken off the ballot in favor of someone very different.

Hillary Clinton had been busy up until then starting wars, supporting TPP and giving talks to the banks to reassure them that she was their 'man'.


Now which of the two, Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton would a working man/woman choose?

As it relates to manufacturing jobs those can come back and need t come back for jobs, HOWEVER, as it relates to the coal minds people Donald and everyone else need to like let that go and die out.

 

[inquiring mind]

I used to be a Democrat, but I’ll never vote that way again. Trump's the man, but once he's out, I’ll probably never vote Republican again either. Guess I’ll join the ranks of the non-participants... if it's a bad choice any way you go, choose the one with the least effort.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

I used to be a Democrat, but I’ll never vote that way again. Trump's the man, but once he's out, I’ll probably never vote Republican again either. Guess I’ll join the ranks of the non-participants... if it's a bad choice any way you go, choose the one with the least effort.

It’s people like you that has me so interested on where the Republican Party plans to go after Trump. The Republican Party is aging and they can’t afford to lose a group you are a part of and remain relevant on a national stage. I don’t see any one of the left that they have their Democrat they will vote for and once that person retires they aren’t voting anymore.

 

[inquiring mind]

It’s people like you that has me so interested on where the Republican Party plans to go after Trump. The Republican Party is aging and they can’t afford to lose a group you are a part of and remain relevant on a national stage.

Yes, the Republican Party will be losing voters in the coming years… but, conservatism usually comes with age, and it will cycle again. Many of these young voters and immigrants crying ‘equality for all’ will see it differently after they’ve become successful working their ‘you know what’s’ off.

I don’t see any one of the left that they have their Democrat they will vote for and once that person retires they aren’t voting anymore.

Of course not, far too many Democrats (not all, but no doubt the number is growing) now aren’t voting for anyone in particular in the first place, just the party they ‘believe’ will give them the most.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Yes, the Republican Party will be losing voters in the coming years… but, conservatism usually comes with age, and it will cycle again. Many of these young voters and immigrants crying ‘equality for all’ will see it differently after they’ve become successful working their ‘you know what’s’ off.

Generally people don’t change all that much. It’s the world around them that gets more progressive. Think about the LGBTQ’s right to exist. 50-60 years ago progressive thought LGBTQs have a right to exist, now most conservatives agree with at least that much, only the most extreme conservatives don’t agree with that.

 

[Tanj]

Democrat vs Republican is not Left vs Right it is a class conflict.

Aww man....

Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump both stated in their primary aims bringing back manufacturing jobs, not an easy trick once manufacturing has departed, but it can be done.

No, it can't. Automation has killed off most manufacturing jobs, and will continue to do so.

Case in point:
Stanley Black and Decker are opening a brand new 425 000 square foot plant in Texas to make their entire Craftsman line. Total new employees: 500.

 

[Desk trauma]

As it relates to manufacturing jobs those can come back and need t come back for jobs

The only way that the mass low skill manufacturing jobs will return is via crippling tariffs and legislation banning automation. I cannot support either proposition as I have no wish to see my country become an economic backwater.