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Democrat counsel indicates House may seek to impeach Trump yet again

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by NightHawkeye, Dec 24, 2019.

  1. whatbogsends

    whatbogsends Senior Veteran

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    I wonder if you hold the same standard for Trump on the multiple times he claimed that he would testify for Mueller:





    I'm joking, I don't wonder at all if you hold the same standard for Trump.
     
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  2. wing2000

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    The POTUS took an oath to "faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." He is bound by the Constitution.

    ....and in the meantime, he will continue to use all of his executive power to benefit himself - politically - right up until election day. Trump will not alter his behavior.

    If the impeachment inquiry were a grand jury, there's been more than enough evidence presented to proceed with a trial. Obviously, producing the requested emails, documents and witnesses would make the case even stronger for a Senate trial.

    Are you aware of any President who has rejected all impeachment inquiry requests for documents and/or witnesses? I believe it's unprecedented and a flat rejection of the House's authority under the Constitution to hold a President accountable through the impeachment process. While some President's have invoked executive privilege, they have done so in a more targeted way while recognizing the need to cooperate generally.
     
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  3. KCfromNC

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    I'm not convinced this is a great plan, given all the evidence that he's willing to abuse the power of the presidency to get foreign government to interfere in the election on his behalf.
     
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  4. JohnAshton

    JohnAshton Well-Known Member

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    Continue new impeachment proceedings in March, July, September.
     
  5. Aldebaran

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    They can testify before the Senate, just as Biden and the whistleblower can--if only Pelosi would stop indicating her sudden lack of confidence in the process by putting a stop to it all.
     
  6. Aldebaran

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    You mean like the guy who did the latest church shooting; the guy who kept wanting money from the church and then opened fire when he didn't get it? Our side may be known for having the guns, but it's the other side that actually uses those guns when they don't get what they want.
     
  7. JohnAshton

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    You sound confused, honestly. I am quite fine if Trump and Pelosi have Mulvaney and Bolton and Biden testify. Pelosi has not prevented Biden from testifying if he wants to.
     
  8. JohnAshton

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    What does that deranged man have to do with this discussion, Aldebaran?
     
  9. Aldebaran

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    Nor did I say she has. Biden himself said he wouldn't, and then flip-flopped on that decision. But it won't mean much if Pelosi never lets the process go forward anyway, which would be a flip-flop on her part since she claimed that impeachment was so important that it simply couldn't wait for the election to take place so the voters could decide for themselves.
     
  10. Aldebaran

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    I was answering post #96 where someone had implied that the conservative Republican side is the side with the guns and hunts people down.
     
  11. JohnAshton

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    Aldebaran, we know the flip flop has to come from Trump in order to get Mulvaney and Bolton on the stand. Pelosi will be fine with that, as you well know.
     
  12. JohnAshton

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    The GOP far right are normally the ones who talk about guns, 2dA, and starting a CW, Aldebaran.
     
  13. KCfromNC

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    Wait, I thought the spin was that non-first hand accounts were useless. So why would Biden and the whistleblower be needed? Is hearsay testimony now valid?

    It is so hard to keep up with these changing stories.
     
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  14. JohnAshton

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    The Trump supporters keep flip-flopping.
     
  15. Aldebaran

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    And yet it's the most hateful people on the far left that actually commit crimes to express their frustration when a president they don't like is elected, and spread hate when that doesn't work, which then leads to their followers walking into churches and killing people.
     
  16. Aldebaran

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    It was an investigation into Biden that started this whole thing. Perhaps it's reasonable for a questioning of him be the end to it as well.
     
  17. GreatLakes4Ever

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    Why can you not understand that Biden is not what this trial is about? You want to investigate Biden, go ahead start one up and burn him at the stake for all I care. I personally don’t want him in the DNC primary. But this trial is about Trump pressuring a foreign country to dig up dirt on his own personal political rival using my tax paying dollars and obstructing Congress from investigating it. Biden personally has zero to do with either action.

    If I were the Democrats I would cut a deal, Biden will testify if Trump will. At least Trump is first hand account to this, Biden doesn’t even have hearsay to any of this and I know how Republicans have said we should not listen to any hearsay testimony. In that regard Biden is absolutely worthless to this trial.
     
  18. Aldebaran

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    If it has nothing to do with Biden, then why do you use the phrase, "dig up dirt on his own personal political rival"? Who is that "political rival" (who also wants to be our next president)?

    You mean you want a quid pro quo?
     
  19. GreatLakes4Ever

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    Did Jodie Foster have to testify at John Hinkley’s trial? She was the reason he shot Reagan so she should have testified on what she knew.

    Am I using tax dollars for personal advantage and violating an international treaty in making this deal?
     
  20. Aldebaran

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    Hinkley never said Jodie Foster had done anything that needed to be investigated. She also didn't have a son involved who was making millions of dollars for doing basically nothing as a favor for corruption in the country where the tax dollars you keep talking about were going.

    I don't know you well enough to say either way.
     
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