Democracy is the worst form of government...

[Ana the Ist]

But what reason would there be from taking away the right to vote?

So we don't end up in a situation where prisoners are voting themselves out of prison.

 

[BPPLEE]

It is. But why? I can understand the reason in taking away the right to a firearm if the person has shown that he might be violent. But what reason would there be from taking away the right to vote? Other than being a further punishment.

If you can run for president after being convicted, surely you can vote for one.

Actions have consequences. They should have thought of that before they engaged in criminal activity. If you can’t do the time don’t do the crime.

 

[Pommer]

Actions have consequences. They should have thought of that before they engaged in criminal activity. If you can’t do the time don’t do the crime.

The delicious irony of being able to run for office but not vote for oneself for being a convicted felon is lost on you, I guess?

 

[BPPLEE]

The delicious irony of being able to run for office but not vote for oneself for being a convicted felon is lost on you, I guess?

No. I know a Sheriff who was arrested and went to prison for taking pay offs from people who sold alcohol in a dry county. They got him for tax evasion. After he got out of prison he was elected again. He was the only Sheriff in the state who couldn’t carry a firearm.

 

[Bradskii]

Actions have consequences. They should have thought of that before they engaged in criminal activity. If you can’t do the time don’t do the crime.

Well, yeah. But why that particular right and not others? Just another punishment?

 

[Bradskii]

No. I know a Sheriff who was arrested and went to prison for taking pay offs from people who sold alcohol in a dry county. They got him for tax evasion. After he got out of prison he was elected again. He was the only Sheriff in the state who couldn’t carry a firearm.

That's just...weird.

 

[BPPLEE]

Well, yeah. But why that particular right and not others? Just another punishment?

Well along the lines of what @Ana the Ist said, they could vote for initiatives that furthered their ability to be criminals and not in the best interest of society

 

[BPPLEE]

That's just...weird.

True story. I had to go to that county because a meth dealer I was investigating loaned his truck to a couple of meth heads that got busted there and that Sheriff”s grandson worked at my department.

 

[Bradskii]

Well along the lines of what @Ana the Ist said, they could vote for initiatives that furthered their ability to be criminals and not in the best interest of society

We could all do that. And I'm at a loss to think of a government policy that would specifically help a felon. That's too much of a stretch for me to accept.

 

[BPPLEE]

We could all do that. And I'm at a loss to think of a government policy that would specifically help a felon. That's too much of a stretch for me to accept.

What about an initiative to give convicted felons amnesty and clear their criminal records?

 

[Bradskii]

True story. I had to go to that county...

Stayed the night in Ozona in the middle of Texas once. Went to the local bar (I think there was only 2) for a brew and a bite. Was told: Sorry, were a dry county. What the..? You're a bar. There are people drinking here. Ah, but they're in the social club. You need to be a member. Well...ok. How much to join. Five bucks. I joined and the barmaid had no trouble me buying two drinks and my wife drinking one of them.

 

[Bradskii]

What about an initiative to give convicted felons amnesty and clear their criminal records?

Good idea. Be an upright citizen for X% of your sentence and you're clear.

 

[partinobodycular]

Well along the lines of what @Ana the Ist said, they could vote for initiatives that furthered their ability to be criminals and not in the best interest of society

Ah, so they might end up acting like politicians.

 

[com7fy8]

Democracy can turn out to be a system in which every citizen is his or her own dictator.

And we see how this works, in the United States, where independence isolates each person with how he or she uses his or her own rights > this works according to each one's character >

For unselfish people this goes well, for the selfish there is their emotional hell.

It's what you make it,
how you take it . . .
just don't you fake it!

 

[Whyayeman]

So we don't end up in a situation where prisoners are voting themselves out of prison.

Is that it?

 

[Whyayeman]

Actions have consequences. They should have thought of that before they engaged in criminal activity. If you can’t do the time don’t do the crime.

Picture the scene.

Felon: I could rob that old lady there. She's weak and helpless and there s her bulging purse. I might get caught and be sent to prison. It's a risk worth taking. 'If you can't do the time don't do the crime!' Oh, Wait! I would lose my right to vote! Forget it. I'm going straight from now on.

[Acknowledgement: Thanks to BPPLEE for his insight into the criminal mind.]

 

[BPPLEE]

Picture the scene.

Felon: I could rob that old lady there. She's weak and helpless and there s her bulging purse. I might get caught and be sent to prison. It's a risk worth taking. 'If you can't do the time don't do the crime!' Oh, Wait! I would lose my right to vote! Forget it. I'm going straight from now on.

[Acknowledgement: Thanks to BPPLEE for his insight into the criminal mind.]

You seem to know the criminal mind so well. Do you really want to allow someone who thinks this way to vote? I would say most never vote anyway.

 

[stevevw]

Just a point here. Creationism is a religious belief. That is why it is banned. ID wants to be taught and says it's not a religious belief and it has evidence. Therefore they can make a case for it.

Unfortunately for them their case fails because the evidence is inept. But that's why we need the evidence (as opposed to 'it is written'); so we can make that decision.

Its the same for some of the ideological beliefs taught in State schools and Universities regarding sex, gender and race. There is no evdience for them and yet they underpin the curriculum. Belief doesn't have to be limited to traditional religion to be taught as fact in education.

 

[Pommer]

No. I know a Sheriff who was arrested and went to prison for taking pay offs from people who sold alcohol in a dry county. They got him for tax evasion. After he got out of prison he was elected again. He was the only Sheriff in the state who couldn’t carry a firearm.

Sheriff Taylor didn't carry a gun either, he left the shooting iron to Deputy Fife.

 

[Pommer]

You seem to know the criminal mind so well. Do you really want to allow someone who thinks this way to vote? I would say most never vote anyway.

I want EVERYONE to vote, (okay some are going to be morally suspect, or worse, I’ll grant you, but being astute politically has nothing to do with being a sociopathic criminal).