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[JakeyB123]

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[royal priest]

As far as every man, woman, and child (sinners) are concerned; Fairness=Hell, Mercy=Heaven

 

[JakeyB123]

As far as every man, woman, and child (sinners) are concerned; Fairness=Hell, Mercy=Heaven

Okay but why do some get more mercy than others? God "isnt a respecter of persons" right?

 

[ewq1938]

And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Matthew 19:24 KJV

How is it fair for someone to be born rich and then it is then harder for him to enter into heaven? You might say "they had heaven on earth" they may have however for them to experience the best of the best here on earth is not even comparable for one to experience eternal damnation.

Does one have control over this somehow? Does God send those who would of went to hell anyway into a rich family? I don't get it.

Its not just any rich person but a rich person who is a bad person, living an ungodly life. In those days the rich typically were very immoral and lived in debauchery. A good rich person would be Job or Joseph the rich man.

 

[JakeyB123]

Its not just any rich person but a rich person who is a bad person, living an ungodly life. In those days the rich typically were very immoral and lived in debauchery. A good rich person would be Job or Joseph the rich man.

A rich person naturally won't even care to think about a higher power though, like what I'm trying to say when someone has riches it is harder for them to enter into heaven, so what If a kid is born into a rich family and then it is even harder for him to enter into heaven?

 

[JakeyB123]

A rich person naturally won't even care to think about a higher power though, like what I'm trying to say when someone has riches it is harder for them to enter into heaven, so what If a kid is born into a rich family and then it is even harder for him to enter into heaven?

And according to this scripture it would be.. You can make your own interperation of what it may mean but naturally a rich man has less of a chance to go into heaven.

 

[ewq1938]

A rich person naturally won't even care to think about a higher power though, like what I'm trying to say when someone has riches it is harder for them to enter into heaven, so what If a kid is born into a rich family and then it is even harder for him to enter into heaven?

The only hardship is their own personal pride and issues with temptations that being rich brings and not all rich men lived like that. So, it's entirely their own fault if salvation is harder for them. It is not God's fault.

 

[bcbsr]

And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Matthew 19:24 KJV

How is it fair for someone to be born rich and then it is then harder for him to enter into heaven? You might say "they had heaven on earth" they may have however for them to experience the best of the best here on earth is not even comparable for one to experience eternal damnation.

Does one have control over this somehow? Does God send those who would of went to hell anyway into a rich family? I don't get it.

The context is that of a man who is too proud to admit he's a sinner, and so sees salvation is just a matter of compliance to some regulations. Likewise those caught up in a salvation by works mentality are too proud to receive the gospel of grace.

The problem is not riches per se but rather a life relatively devoid of humiliating experiences typical of the less fortunate. Humility often is learned through experiencing humiliation, and note the the Lord subjected the man to humiliation in the end, which was his need.

The gospel is geared toward the humble. The proud are weeded out. But even the rich can be humble, especially if they started from humble beginnings. Humility is the most essential of character qualities. Without it one will not see the value of the gospel of grace.

 

[JakeyB123]

The only hardship is their own personal pride and issues with temptations that being rich brings and not all rich men lived like that. So, it's entirely their own fault if salvation is harder for them. It is not God's fault.

Is it harder for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God yes or no and are some then born into being rich

 

[JAM2b]

I don't think it is because they are rich and God makes it harder for them to get into Heaven. I think it is because they love their wealth more than God. It comes down to their free will. It's hard for them also to see a need for God because they have not experienced the desperation of those who are less fortunate, therefore, they have a tendency to not put their faith in the Lord.

 

[JakeyB123]

I don't think it is because they are rich and God makes it harder for them to get into Heaven. I think it is because they love their wealth more than God. It comes down to their free will. It's hard for them also to see a need for God because they have not experienced the desperation of those who are less fortunate, therefore, they have a tendency to not put their faith in the Lord.

Yes very true but if one is then born into this they have a less chance which is terrible, I mean we're talking eternity here... You can say its based on free-will which it is but it doesn't outweigh the fact one is now having a tougher chance than others on eternal life or eternal damnation..

 

[JAM2b]

Also, it's probably not referring to a literal eye of a needle. That was what they called a gate at Jerusalem. Camels could fit through, but there wasn't much room. If they were loaded down with a lot of things, they had difficulty fitting with their load.

So, it's not as impossible as that Scripture sounds like because of our lack of cultural and historical knowledge.

 

[JAM2b]

https://www.gotquestions.org/camel-eye-needle.html

 

[dreadnought]

And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Matthew 19:24 KJV

How is it fair for someone to be born rich and then it is then harder for him to enter into heaven? You might say "they had heaven on earth" they may have however for them to experience the best of the best here on earth is not even comparable for one to experience eternal damnation.

Does one have control over this somehow? Does God send those who would of went to hell anyway into a rich family? I don't get it.

But you left out the next two verses:

[24] Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
[25] When the disciples heard this they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?"
[26] But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Matt 19:24-26 RSV

 

[dreadnought]

And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Matthew 19:24 KJV

How is it fair for someone to be born rich and then it is then harder for him to enter into heaven? You might say "they had heaven on earth" they may have however for them to experience the best of the best here on earth is not even comparable for one to experience eternal damnation.

Does one have control over this somehow? Does God send those who would of went to hell anyway into a rich family? I don't get it.

But you left out the next two verses:

[24] Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
[25] When the disciples heard this they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?"
[26] But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Matt 19:24-26 RSV

I believe the Lord is just making the point that love of money is not helpful.

 

[HTacianas]

That the young man was rich was not the issue, but that he was unwilling to share his riches.

In another case a rich man told Jesus, "i have given half of what I own to the poor", and he was accepted. The rich young man could easily have negotiated but instead simply gave up.

 

[royal priest]

A rich person naturally won't even care to think about a higher power though, like what I'm trying to say when someone has riches it is harder for them to enter into heaven, so what If a kid is born into a rich family and then it is even harder for him to enter into heaven?

Riches are not the problem. It's a greater love of riches than of God that keeps a man from Heaven. 1 Timothy 6:10

 

[ewq1938]

Is it harder for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God yes or no and are some then born into being rich

I already explained the difference between godly rich and ungodly rich.

 

[royal priest]

Okay but why do some get more mercy than others? God "isnt a respecter of persons" right?

Although Jesus was speaking directly to the issue of this world's goods, it would be a mistake to limit his point to that. The reason men don't enter Heaven is because they think they are good enough to get there on their own (Revelation 3:17). But of course, though all men believe they are rich with respect to righteousness, they are actually morally bankrupt and need the righteousness of Jesus as offered in the Gospel. (Revelation 3:18)

 

[Humble me Lord]

We are not promised a good or easy life here on this earth, in the fallen world. What we are to live for is the one that comes after. We can say so many things here are not fair, there's tons of that, but His ways are higher than our ways and His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. It's not up to us to decide what's fair and not fair. I do believe God uses circumstances to shape us, to form us into what He wants us to be.
Also God's laws are written in our hearts and they are inscribed on our minds, so no matter what circumstances one is born into, there is no excuse for not accepting the free offer of salvation through Jesus Christ.