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defining virginity

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naivelytrusting said:
wow......I didn't realize this would be such a popular thread!

Trust me, anything that includes sex is a popular thread...... *rolls eyes*

Anyway, I think we spend too much time defining virginity rather than thinking of the consequnces of each act. Sex is, of course, about emotions as well as the physical aspect and there's so much less we can do and still get ourselves attached; for some of us regular kissing is enough to create a deep connection. When you're intimate enough (=break your personal boundaries) with someone you'll have an attachment to that person and it might never break completely. I know I don't want to take a heavy load to the most important relationship I'll create in the future -marriage.
 
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Silver Speak said:
When you're intimate enough (=break your personal boundaries) with someone you'll have an attachment to that person and it might never break completely.

Consequences may never fade completely (ie hurt, pain, pregnancy, STD's)... but attachments can and will if you desire to get rid of them and ask God to help you.

I also do not believe physical actions create attachments between people, in and of themselves. If I were raped, would I be attached to my rapist? It is the metaphysical connection that creates attachments... the emotional, psychological, intellectual, and social intimacy.

I have had a much harder time breaking off some attachments that involved no physical intimacy, than breaking off some attachments that did.

And finally, in reference to the OP: I believe sex is a package... it isn't just intercourse. People in Bible times defined sex as any type of sexual touching or contact... prostitutes kept themselves from getting pregnant by doing all sorts of sexual things but not intercourse... but that did not make one any less of a prostitute.

God bless :)
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invisiblebabe said:
I also do not believe physical actions create attachments between people, in and of themselves. If I were raped, would I be attached to my rapist?
Stockholm syndrome. But I'll differ to people who have been there to confirm or deny that. It does happen in some victims though.
 
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livingondreams said:
Like others have said, there is a difference between virginity (which is a technicality -- have you had intercourse or not?) and purity (abstaining from ALL sexual acts, not just intercourse).
Purity is also a relative term though.
 
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twistedsketch said:
Purity is also a relative term though.

True, which was partly the point of the second part of my other reply. Both words are kind of squirrelly.

Where I grew up, virginity meant having never been sexually active. It was never a technical thing. In high school (and in college too) virgins were usually the girls who avoided their sexuality to the point of not dating, and the geeky guys who never had girlfriends. The very idea that a virgin could even get close to oral or anal sex ran contrary to the whole notion of what a virgin is. Talk about a contradiction. I never attended a Christian school, so at least among the secular folks, virginity didn't seem to be much of a technical thing. While I haven't seen the movie, all that I've heard about "The 40 Year Old Virgin" stays true to the idea of virginity as I understand it.

Sadly, within our campus fellowship, in some Christian books I read, and hearing about what "Catholic school girls did" (as perhaps mispresented in popular culture), I began to notice that there were many Christians who claimed to be virgins despite doing everything in a sex instruction book except old-fashioned, missionary-position, reproductive genitalia connected sex. And they still considered themselves to be virgins! I was flabbergasted. Their sexual activities were totally at odds with not just the definition, but the spirit of what virginity is all about. The idea of "virgins" having anal sex was one of the most bizarre things I'd ever heard. Over the years I've come to the realization that this type of rationalization is mostly within the Christian community.

I suppose purity has risen to fill the role that Virginity used to play, but I think purity can also be an entirely different matter. Someone who has made mistakes in the past is certainly made pure by God's grace. However, this is not to be confused with being a virgin (perhaps an awkward guy who's effectively terrified of getting to know girls that way)... and this is where things get really confusing. What about a virgin with a mind that dwells on impure thoughts? Is it not godly and wise for them to resist their impure impulses, for the sake of God and their future husband or wife... rather than become sexually involved? Many do abstain, and are blessed for their selfless restraint. However, these people hardly conjure up images of purity in my mind... and yet they can certainly be virgins. I believe they show a great strength of character by abstaining for such noble purposes. So, what is purity exactly?
 
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twistedsketch said:
Purity is also a relative term though.

Purity is a qualitative term. It isn't something that can be measured exactly, but is something that is more of a gradient from impure to pure, with infinite possible levels of purity in between. That doesn't mean that it is relative or that everybody can have their own definition of it and be correct.

Virginity is a more exact term. Either a person is a virgin or he/she isn't a virgin. Of course, as I said before, virginity does not necessarily equal a high level of purity and nonvirginity does not necessarily equal a low level of purity.

Of course, some people may note that the term 'virgin' can mean more than one thing (such as a young person in general) just as many words in the English language can be used in different ways. But that is besides the point.
 
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twistedsketch said:
Stockholm syndrome. But I'll differ to people who have been there to confirm or deny that. It does happen in some victims though.

Most rapes are also date rapes, meaning the people knew each other beforehand. There is also incest.
 
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Of course the situation also has a bearing on the effects. If it's just a date, or just some random encounter and you push the boundaries of virginity, it's much more damaging to your purity. but if you're engaged, totally and completely in love with your fiance, and you engage in some heavy petting or what not, it wouldn't seem to be as damaging. this is assuming we're taking fishstix's gradiant analogy. i don't know, it's a tricky issue. does being in love and totally comitted make those kinds of acts that don't take away virginity any less harmful? if so is that a double standard, or just an example of the thoughts and intent and emotions behind an act having a direct effect on whether or not it is acceptable?
 
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meh, and do thoughts make you less pure? therefore thinking can make you a ...a whatever :p cause if that is the case then I am not a "pure virgin" but we all have our struggles, and I think that one way or the other, it is individulized - for the most part - to what causes us to sin, and that is too much... for the most part.

*rambles on indistintly*
 
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Thinking can make you a little less pure. Seeing and hearing will make you considerably less pure. Actually doing stuff makes you a lot less pure. Every Christian who struggles with lust thinks he/she is absolutely filthy. But when that Christian gets deeper into lust related sin and gets caught in it, they would kill to get back at the place they originally were at. All of a sudden what used to be absolutely filthy seems nice and clean, and you long for that.
 
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