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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Johnny Boyd, Jul 16, 2017.

  1. Paidiske

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    Granted. But it's splitting hairs. The problem of domination and control remains.
     
  2. rockytopva

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    My friend went on a Mediterranean cruise. While visiting Catholic and Orthodox poi's they cruise director would continually remind the guests to put on dress pants..

    Google 'Wal Mart attire" and see how people are dressing these days. And some will actually try to go to church that way.
     
  3. Zoii

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    In Australia if its a hot day you are going to think im immodest because i,ll wear shorts or skirt n a small top. I,ll cover up when its cold.

    Having said that I dress for the occasion as well. I dont go to church services but when I go inside a church I respect the occasion, but then again same if I go to something formal as well

    Its a lil ironic though that moslem women dress according to biblical standards including head coverings, yet they get harsh words by many for doing so.
     
  4. dqhall

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    My community pool requires women to wear a one piece bathing suit. Some women did not know about the rule. They wanted to get tanned. People need sunlight for vitamin D. Since the rules are not posted on the wall, they are not followed.

    A woman was attending a banquet where the attire was business casual. She was wearing a revealing short dress. Someone called her a prostitute. People can be cruel.

    Someone told me he went to participate in an athletic event and noticed everyone was wearing white athletic shoes. He went and bought white athletic shoes.
     
  5. Johnny Boyd

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    Just FYI, we can get D without sunlight. D3 supplements apparently work well, though there's a major study being conducted right now to compare the effectiveness. It should be finished.. this year?

    IIRC, some societies don't get much sun exposure, but they get their D from fish.
     
  6. Christie insb

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    What if a visitor shows up wearing something not allowed I your dress code? Sounds pretty insular to me.
     
  7. dqhall

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    You may get vitamin D, omega 3's, protein, and vitamin B-12 from fish. There are also PCB's and mercury in fish. I have seen studies recommending 1000 IU/day vitamin D capsules for adults. Vitamin D is used to help the body process calcium and may help prevent osteoporosis.

    Studies also showed that those who take vitamin E or vitamin A tablets were less healthy than those who did not. There are many types of carotenoids. Theoretically, artificial vitamin A blocks the absorption of other important similar nutrients. Vitamin A tablets are not a good substitute for greens and vegetables.

    Not everyone wants to get their vitamins from pills. I am in favor of allowing sunbathing, even though some people may blame those who sunbath for encouraging lust when they do not want lust, but only sunshine. Lust originates in the minds of sinners. One should not blame the dress code for immoral behavior.
     
  8. Johnny Boyd

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    I was just giving you data, I wasn't arguing against your idea. :)

    Yes, Vitamin A from supplements is a horrible idea. Too much vitamin A from meat sources, or supplements, can kill you. From vegetables, it won't (regardless of how much you get, I believe.)
     
  9. AlexDTX

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    Modesty is an attitude of the heart. Adam and Eve knew they were naked even with their fig leaves sewn over body parts, because they cut themselves off from God's righteousness. The animal that God slew to cover them with skin foretold of the blood covering that would come from the promised Messiah in Genesis 3:15. It was not the animal skin that restored their modesty, but faith in restoration by God to come. The skin reminded them of that promise. But the reminder was forgotten just as looking at a rainbow does not remind anyone that God promised to never flood the world again.

    So a man or woman whose confidence is in the Lord, their modesty comes from God. Of course for Adam and Eve initially there were no other people. But as the population grew, modesty became an issue in not causing another to stumble by temptation into sin. And so it shall remain untll we are given glorified bodies -whether clothed or not I don't know - where it will no longer be an issue. We will have no more consciousness of such things just as animals today do not consider themselves naked.
     
  10. Victory-N-Christ

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    We've had visitors straight from the street dressed in dirty clothes,too short clothes, e.t.c..but those were *visitors* not *regular* members. I don't think there's anything wrong with having a dress code in place at the church. We wouldn't turn people away for how they come dressed but after they've been there a while or maybe joined then they'd have to tighten up .
     
  11. Victory-N-Christ

    Victory-N-Christ God:Mighty -N-Power!!

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    These days when looking at a rainbow or seeing it posted somewhere as a sign...it doesn't exactly bring to mind our Lord's promise..
    Sorry for slipping off topic but I just had to add that.
     
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  12. jimmyjimmy

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    It's splitting hairs?!

    Wives submit to their own husbands. If you can't see how that's vastly different than women submitting to men, it's no wonder I have difficulty getting any idea across to you.
     
  13. Johnny Boyd

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    YES! Lol
     
  14. Dave-W

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    Prove that God killed an animal.
    How do you know He did not just make leather garments appear?

    Is not the idea that it was a "blood covering" an addition from after the fact?
     
  15. AlexDTX

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    I am not going to waste my time trying to prove what God only knows. I believe this to be the case because of what I know about the need for the sacrificial blood of Jesus. I believe Adam and Eve understood what was meant in Genesis 3:15 which is why their third son Seth was named "appointed." It was God who destroyed the Earth with the flood and all the animals upon it. It is possible that Adam had to slay the animal for the skins just as Noah and Israel had to slay the sacrificial animals, too. But I make my assumption on the verse:

    Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

    It is highly unlikely that God made leather garments miraculously. He stopped creating on the 7th day. After that he uses what has already been created.

    Your gauntlet is ridiculous.
     
  16. Hillsage

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    Elaborate a bit here. I''ve never heard this and Seth wasn't born until the 4th chapter and his name means "substitued" according to Strong's, so I'm not sure what you're saying.
     
  17. Apex

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    I just wanted to make a note about this comment. Exodus 20:26 and Exodus 28:42 are talking about ritual nakedness. This served to distinguish Israelite worship from the worship of neighboring pagan cults. Nudity and associated sexual idolatry were common features of ancient cultic rites. There exists many scenes in ancient Near Eastern art that feature priests officiating in the nude. This distinction in worship practices is the same reason tattoos were orginally outlawed.
     
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  18. AlexDTX

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    Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

    From Adam's Clark's Commentary on the Bible

    God - hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel - Eve must have received on this occasion some Divine communication, else how could she have known that this son was appointed in the place of Abel, to continue that holy line by which the Messiah was to come? From this we see that the line of the Messiah was determined from the beginning, and that it was not first fixed in the days of Abraham; for the promise was then only renewed, and that branch of his family designated by which the sacred line was to be continued. And it is worthy of remark, that Seth’s posterity alone continued after the flood, when all the other families of the earth were destroyed, Noah being the tenth descendant from Adam through Seth.

    I have no interest in arguing these points. This is just to show that this has been believed by many others. This commentary was written in the 19 century.
     
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  19. Hillsage

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    I wasn't interested in 'arguing these points'. But I did find your answer interesting enough to even give you an 'informative' rating. But whether it is true or not, it's really not a point worth arguing about anyway IMO. :)
     
  20. AlexDTX

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    Agreed. I apologize for being somewhat defensive. Another person demanded I prove my position, of which there really can be no proof, only reasons for believing a position.
     
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