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OK so how big do you thik the sun was 4.5 billion years ago?

Well, it started bigger than it is now, but less dense, and soon compressed to about the size it is now. That it was bigger doesn't much matter, though, as Earth probably wasn't in orbit yet anyway.
 
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how do you know the earth wasint in orbit?
as if the earth was created from the dust from the beggining of time, the isotopes in the dust whouldnt have got reffreshed with the earth new arrrival. so therefore you cannot accuratly date the earths age.
 
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how do you know the earth wasint in orbit?

There wasn't an Earth.

as if the earth was created from the dust from the beggining of time, the isotopes in the dust whouldnt have got reffreshed with the earth new arrrival. so therefore you cannot accuratly date the earths age.

We date the Earth's age by dating meteorites, which consistently date to 4.5 billion years before present. Unlike Earth, meteors have not remelted since their formation. Radiometric dating measures the time since a crystal/rock became closed. That is, it measures the amount of time that the rock was able to accumulate daughter products from the decay of the parent isotopes. Therefore, the age of the meteors marks the beginning of planet formation. The oldest rocks on Earth that I am aware of date to about 4.1 billion years before present.
 
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how do you know the earth wasint in orbit?
as if the earth was created from the dust from the beggining of time, the isotopes in the dust whouldnt have got reffreshed with the earth new arrrival. so therefore you cannot accuratly date the earths age.

I'm not saying Earth was flying around somewhere else in space; I'm saying that it didn't even exist yet. It formed after the Sun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth#History
 
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Well, it started bigger than it is now, but less dense, and soon compressed to about the size it is now. That it was bigger doesn't much matter, though, as Earth probably wasn't in orbit yet anyway.
If something is less dense wont it burn quicker?
Just a question.
 
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If something is less dense wont it burn quicker?
Just a question.

You know that the sun isn't technically burning, right? It's nuclear reactions, not fire. And when the sun first formed, and was not very dense, it did not have the necessary gravitational power to initiate the nuclear reactions. In that sense, it did not "burn wuicker." It didn't "burn" at all. That didn't start until it condensed. Once that happened, it reached the size it is now, give or take a little bit.
 
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actually meteors do as they enter the earths atmosphere they heat up and the reson we can see them is because of the heat created as a red hot substance of moltin rock. the heat is caussed by the atmospheric entry.

The meteors that make it to the ground are actually cool to the touch. Only the very outside of the meteor is heated, and it is quickly cooled by the inside of the meteor.
 
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thats using an optical ollusion not Magic.
Nothing that man an do is acctually magic. it is some kind of ellusion

What if it wasn't? What if a person commanded that a bunny rabbit appear and it really did appear without illusion or sleight of hand? Wouldn't that be magic?
 
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If something is less dense wont it burn quicker?
Just a question.

I'll just expand on what Skaloop said, if you're interested.

The sun - and, in fact, all main sequence stars, shine ("burn") not due to actual fire, but due to nuclear reactions. In a nuclear reactor on earth, you get a big atom, like uranium, and fire small particles at it until it breaks apart. The breakage fires more particles out in all directions, setting off other breaks and so on.
This is called fission, which means breaking apart. The nuclear reactions that happen in the sun are fusion reactions - which means sticking together. What happens is two small atoms (usually hydrogen or helium) smash together so fast that they actually stick together. When they stick together a tiny bit of mass is actually lost (the final atom is lighter than the combined mass of the two hydrogens, or heliums) and this whizzes of as energy.

Now, in order for this to happen, the atoms have to smash together incredibly hard, because usually when you stick atoms near each other they fly apart. This means that if you just get some hydrogen in a box, it won't suddenly start a nuclear reaction, because the particles aren't moving fast enough.
What happens in a star is that everything is pulled really tightly in on itself. This makes everything whizz around much faster, and so you can actually have a nuclear reaction. The energy release when one nuclear reaction occurs also makes things move faster, so you get a chain reaction.

This is the reason a diffuse, non-dense ball of gas - like the sun before it was actually the sun - doesn't do anything. The atoms just aren't moving fast enough.

As an interesting aside, a really big, heavy star dies very quickly in comparison to a small, light star, because the increased gravity pulls everything tighter, making them move faster, and making them react more.
 
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So what you guys are saying is that the sun is going to stop "burning" soon as it gets bigger again.
The Sun, as it becomes depleted of hydrogen, will grow bigger as it struggles to fuse larger elements. When it becomes unable to fuse these continually larger elements, it will cease to "burn."
 
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