Define evolution

[notto]

Oh and doesnt the sun loose its size as it burns up? yes it does.
30 million years ago the sun would have been so big that it would have been in the exact place that the earth is now.
or the sun would have been so hot that the earth would not be here as it would have vapourised the eatrh into little pieces of dust.

Please show your math and data.

It now seems like you are just making stuff up.

Unsourced and outrageous claims will require some support to be acknowledged.

How big would the sun have been 30 millions years ago? Let's see some numbers and don't forget to include your units.

What data is this number based on? What measurements? Done by what method and organization?

You must have all of this information, right? Your source must have mentioned it?

If not, why are you repeating it as valid if you can't show us this is valid? Why should we believe you?

http://library.thinkquest.org/12659/outer_space/cycle.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea.html#proof1

 

[Split Rock]

How do you know that the rate of decay was cnstant doesnt pressure and temperature also effect the rate of decay.

and how do scientists know the temperature in a particular area in that time frame? and pressure?

No, pressure and temperature do not affect radioactive decay. Next question.

Oh and doesnt the sun loose its size as it burns up? yes it does.
30 million years ago the sun would have been so big that it would have been in the exact place that the earth is now.
or the sun would have been so hot that the earth would not be here as it would have vapourised the eatrh into little pieces of dust.

Yes, the sun loses some mass but it is a tiny fraction of the total mass. Where did you get the idea that it was so much bigger 30 mya? Are you making stuff up as you go along?

 

[Baggins]

Oh and doesnt the sun loose its size as it burns up? yes it does.
30 million years ago the sun would have been so big that it would have been in the exact place that the earth is now.
or the sun would have been so hot that the earth would not be here as it would have vapourised the eatrh into little pieces of dust.

Sometimes all you can do is point and laugh.



Have you considered actually learning some science before coming on a scientific debate board?

It might help.

 

[Aron-Ra]

Sometimes all you can do is point and laugh.



Have you considered actually learning some science before coming on a scientific debate board?

It might help.

Well, in all fairness, this is a religious debate board. So maybe he thought he could get away with that.

 

[s41nn0n]

go to
http://www.creationism.org/ackerman/AckermanYoungWorldChap06.htm
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=165
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v11/i2/sun.asp
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2001astro.ph..1473Dhttp://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=165

 

[s41nn0n]

Sometimes all you can do is point and laugh.



Have you considered actually learning some science before coming on a scientific debate board?

It might help.

now I have to start laughing with

 

[Army of Juan]

go to
http://www.creationism.org/ackerman/AckermanYoungWorldChap06.htm
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=165
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v11/i2/sun.asp
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2001astro.ph..1473D

The sun’s size oscillates (it grows and shrinks in size), it is not shrinking at a constant rate and will actually get bigger as it starts to die.

 

[s41nn0n]

but how can it get bigger when its usung all of it resourcess up?

 

[Baggins]

but how can it get bigger when its usung all of it resourcess up?

See this is the correct response.

Instead of making things up that sound right to you ask people..

Red giants are stars of 1000 times the volume of the Sun which have exhausted the supply of hydrogen in their cores and switched to fusing hydrogen in a shell outside the core. Since the inert helium core has no source of energy of its own, it contracts and heats up, and its gravity compresses the hydrogen in the layer immediately above it, thus causing it to fuse faster. This in turn causes the star to become more luminous (from 1,000 to 10,000 times brighter) and expand; the degree of expansion outstrips the increase in luminosity, thus causing the effective temperature to decrease.

The Sun is expected to become a red giant in about five billion years. It is calculated that the Sun will become sufficiently large to engulf the current orbits of some of the solar system's inner planets, including Earth.[5][6][7] However, the gravitational pull of the Sun will have weakened by then due to its loss of mass, and all planets but Mercury will escape to a wider orbit. That said, Earth's biosphere will be destroyed as the Sun gets brighter while its hydrogen supply becomes depleted. The extra solar energy will cause the oceans to evaporate to space, causing Earth's atmosphere to become temporarily similar to that of Venus, before its atmosphere also gets driven off into space.[8] Venus's surface will become a burnt out planet, its atmosphere having long been driven off.[1]

From wikipedia

 

[s41nn0n]

did you go to any of my links?

 

[s41nn0n]

See this is the correct response.

Instead of making things up that sound right to you ask people..







From wikipedia

if it is so small now emagine how big it was 30 billion years ago as it says
"The Sun is expected to become a red giant in about five billion years" and if you read on it tells us exacly what you were trying to disprove!

 

[Skaloop]

if it is so small now emagine how big it was 30 billion years ago as it says
"The Sun is expected to become a red giant in about five billion years" and if you read on it tells us exacly what you were trying to disprove!

The sun didn't exist 30 billion years ago. Nothing did. The sun is about 4.5 billion years old.

Nobody will really object to the idea that the sun is shrinking right now. What they object to is that you assume this rate has been constant since the sun formed. Since we know stars fluctuate in size and do not shrink at a consistent rate.

 

[Aron-Ra]

did you go to any of my links?

Did you check out mine?

 

[Baggins]

if it is so small now emagine how big it was 30 billion years ago as it says
"The Sun is expected to become a red giant in about five billion years" and if you read on it tells us exacly what you were trying to disprove!

You are making things up again instead of reading what the experts say. The sun, and in fact the universe as we know it, didn't exist 30 billion years ago.

It will become a red giant in 5,000,000,000 years time.

For the last 4,600,000,000 years it has been a G2V, a white star in the main sequence.

This is a diagram of the lifecycle of the sun



As you can see its size hasn't altered much since its formation.

Here is a link to a simple discourse on the sun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun

Please read it befor making anything else up.

 

[notto]

go to
http://www.creationism.org/ackerman/AckermanYoungWorldChap06.htm
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=165
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v11/i2/sun.asp
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2001astro.ph..1473D

So, which one of these contradicting sources should we trust?

Which one did you use to form your conclusion and which one presents the data for 30 million years ago and the method that was used to determine it?

Did you read the AIG article all the way through?

You are being led astray by creationists who are basically misrepresenting what we know. You should really look at your sources more critically.

 

[CACTUSJACKmankin]

go to
http://www.creationism.org/ackerman/AckermanYoungWorldChap06.htm
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=165
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v11/i2/sun.asp
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2001astro.ph..1473D

The sources you gave are all from creationist PRATT factories except for the one from harvard.edu and i doubt you have the technical expertise to understand it or its implications to your conclusions.

 

[s41nn0n]

The sun didn't exist 30 billion years ago. Nothing did. The sun is about 4.5 billion years old.

Nobody will really object to the idea that the sun is shrinking right now. What they object to is that you assume this rate has been constant since the sun formed. Since we know stars fluctuate in size and do not shrink at a consistent rate.

OK so how big do you thik the sun was 4.5 billion years ago?

 

[s41nn0n]

Where in the Bible does it say that God doesnt want to "appear" to be real?
But
God didnt use magic or didnt wish for them to be created, he Commanded it to happen!

 

[Split Rock]

if it is so small now emagine how big it was 30 billion years ago as it says
"The Sun is expected to become a red giant in about five billion years" and if you read on it tells us exacly what you were trying to disprove!

Can you explain how the theory that the sun will turn into a red giant late in its life proves it would have to have been larger in the past?

 

[s41nn0n]

The sun’s size oscillates (it grows and shrinks in size), it is not shrinking at a constant rate and will actually get bigger as it starts to die.

as staited above. Stated clearly he is aying that the sun was much bigger and will become much bigger.