defending your views

[StormInside]

Do you ever find that if you try to defend your views against liberals they jump on you, complaining that you are intolerant, while they themselves are totally intolerant of your views?

Someone asked my opinion on gay marriage and I said that I didn't agree with it, as it lessens the seriousness of marriage and isn't good for society. Of course everyone jumped down my throat and had a huge go at me and ridiculed me, calling me intolerant, juvenile and an idiot.

Does anyone else feel wary of sharing their unfashionable views?

 

[crimsonleaf]

Never, although I agree with your point. Christians should expect persecution for their views. If everyone agreed with me then I'd have to seriously re-examine what I said.

 

[StormInside]

I didn't think of it like that. Thanks, you've put a smile on my face! I was feeling a bit upset before.

 

[Jro]

So are heterosexual atheist marriages a threat to 'serious' marriage, or is it just the homosexual atheist marriages that are?

 

[StormInside]

I am not getting into another debate thank you. I've had enough abuse for one day.

 

[Gadarene]

Do you ever find that if you try to defend your views against liberals they jump on you, complaining that you are intolerant, while they themselves are totally intolerant of your views?

Someone asked my opinion on gay marriage and I said that I didn't agree with it, as it lessens the seriousness of marriage and isn't good for society. Of course everyone jumped down my throat and had a huge go at me and ridiculed me, calling me intolerant, juvenile and an idiot.

Does anyone else feel wary of sharing their unfashionable views?

There are ways to debate and there are ways, but broadly speaking the notion of tolerance does not involve tolerating intolerance, by definition.

 

[Gadarene]

I didn't think of it like that. Thanks, you've put a smile on my face! I was feeling a bit upset before.

Allow me to upset you again.

The logic you have just been presented is flawed.

It is also entirely possible that you receive disagreement because you are wrong. It is not simply the case that you are disagreed with because you are Christian.

Believe it or not, it is entirely possible for Christians to say things that are correct, and we acknowledge this. And I'm not just saying that.

 

[jehoiakim]

The average prerson, still a postmodern thinker with no absolutes and an eclectic grab back of I'm pnsotamt beliefs sea to have no umderstamric of logic. I don't know Howard Ted I have been baited for what I hope is a logical respectful conversation that breaks down to emotional name calling after they can mp longer defend an argument. As for the specific conversation u have had I don't usually have the same reaction although I have once or twice. I am a lottery liniment And while I agree gay marriage is not biblical I don't feel it my place to tell others outside the church context how to live unless the choice is end ringing on someone else's life. Personally I don't know why the government should have any business recognizing or non recognizing a marriage. As long as the gov doesn't try to tell the church what they can do I don't care so much.

 

[iamauthentic]

So are heterosexual atheist marriages a threat to 'serious' marriage, or is it just the homosexual atheist marriages that are?

thats actually a really good point. thank you for that.
we (the Church) have our issues that need to be worked out.

 

[Gadarene]

thats actually a really good point. thank you for that.
we (the Church) have our issues that need to be worked out.

I think the point was what makes a person's marriage "serious" or not. Certainly not the mere opinion of the OP.

I get the feeling the OP hasn't spoken to many homosexuals who want to get married, because many of them surely are "serious" about getting married.

 

[iamauthentic]

I think the point was what makes a person's marriage "serious" or not.

yes, i know. the judgments that we make on society tend to be hypocritical and inconsistent.

 

[yasic]

Do you ever find that if you try to defend your views against liberals they jump on you, complaining that you are intolerant, while they themselves are totally intolerant of your views?

Someone asked my opinion on gay marriage and I said that I didn't agree with it, as it lessens the seriousness of marriage and isn't good for society. Of course everyone jumped down my throat and had a huge go at me and ridiculed me, calling me intolerant, juvenile and an idiot.

Does anyone else feel wary of sharing their unfashionable views?

Disagreeing with another's viewpoint does not make you intolerant yourself. For instance, if someone felt that all Slavic people should be killed, if I disagree, even publicly, with their view this does not make me intolerant.

 

[Jade Margery]

I am a lottery liniment

What the what what?

 

[yasic]

Also, as to why I am hostile to people who are against same sex marriage:

To me there is literally no difference between same sex marriage and interracial marriage. I have asked constantly for those who feel there is a difference to point it out and none ever have.

As such I see no reason to treat those who are opposed to same sex marriage differently than those who are opposed to interracial marriage. If someone told you that they are opposed to interracial marriage, how would you treat them exactly? Would they consider you intolerant of their views?

 

[Paradoxum]

Do you ever find that if you try to defend your views against liberals they jump on you, complaining that you are intolerant, while they themselves are totally intolerant of your views?

Being intolerant of intolerance isn't intolerant any more than restricting the freedom to own slaves in anti-freedom. Protection of the fundamental principle is necessary for the principle to be foundational.

Someone asked my opinion on gay marriage and I said that I didn't agree with it, as it lessens the seriousness of marriage and isn't good for society. Of course everyone jumped down my throat and had a huge go at me and ridiculed me, calling me intolerant, juvenile and an idiot.

Well I don't consider same-sex marriage to be of major importance, but it would seem that your view is intolerant and no based on facts. I mean, you can disagree with same-sex marriage in principle, but if you are against it in law then I don't see how that can be justified unless it is a real societal problem.

But there are issues where I might be as harsh as possible with my words, (while keeping them true) to try to express the insanity of the culture that is accepting of heinous violations of liberty, property, and the dignity of persons.

But of course reasoned discussion is needed too; in fact it is needed much more.

Does anyone else feel wary of sharing their unfashionable views?

No. If it is true then it is worth saying. But I've never had insults for what I believe.

 

[joshuacox]

Being intolerant of intolerance isn't intolerant any more than restricting the freedom to own slaves in anti-freedom. Protection of the fundamental principle is necessary for the principle to be foundational.

This is the best laid out I have ever heard this argument. well done

 

[jehoiakim]

WOW MY bad... I was typing that from my iphone and auto correct does the strangest things especially when you are in a hurry...let me just revise the whole thing from the beginning.

The average person (still a postmodern thinker) with no belief in absolutes is an eclectic grab back of inconsistent beliefs and holds no concept of logical thought processes. I don't know How many times I have been baited for what I hope is a logical respectful conversation that then breaks down to emotional name calling fit after the other person can no longer defend an argument.

As for the specific conversation you have had, I don't usually have the same reaction from people, although I have once or twice. I am a lot more open on the subject. While I agree gay marriage is not biblical, I don't feel it my place to tell others outside the church context how to live unless the choice is infringing on someone else's rights. 2 consensual adults entering into a marriage (whether I disagree with it or not) does not infringe on my rights, therefore it is not my business. If we let the government legislate morality it is only a matter of time before they go after our rights.

 

[Tnmusicman]

Do you ever find that if you try to defend your views against liberals they jump on you, complaining that you are intolerant, while they themselves are totally intolerant of your views?

Someone asked my opinion on gay marriage and I said that I didn't agree with it, as it lessens the seriousness of marriage and isn't good for society. Of course everyone jumped down my throat and had a huge go at me and ridiculed me, calling me intolerant, juvenile and an idiot.

Does anyone else feel wary of sharing their unfashionable views?

It does seem old fashioned is unfashionable these days,doesn't it?

I get asked my opinion on gay marriage and when I say I don't agree I get labeled a hater. Heck, on another forum I was labeled a hater of homosexuals because I was Christian!! ( yikes! ) I had not said a word!!! Does anbody remember that Christians believe in loving our neighbor as ourselves?

Granted,we don't always show that love but we certainly don't hate! Darn the Westboro Baptist church!!
I guess it's what some people interprit as hate. Kind of the " if you're not for me you're against me" kind of understanding.
For clarification : I don't agree with same sex marriage but I don't believe in getting into others bedrooms either. However, I don't think churches that disagree with same sex marriage should be forced to perform the ceremony. On this matter I am very much for keeping the ceremony civil. It's a tough issue in this respect. I'm not in favor of same sex marriage in churches that disagree with it. There are certain churches that welcome same sex ceremonies and they should be kept there. Same goes for officiating.

 

[GNJ]

I would have jumped down your throat too if you said it like that, to be honest.

But I have more of a problem with defending my views from other Catholics. Occasionally I have to deal with the atheists that are all "haha you think that there's some giant omniscient dude in the sky? You're an idiot! Do you believe in a flying spaghetti monster too?"

 

[muslimsoldier4life]

I'm a Muslim in the United States, from Texas and I'm in the United States Army. Come back when you face real persecution.