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[Justatruthseeker]

Well, I checked it out and saw that 1961. hayah can mean a lot. For example, from that link:
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To simply conclude.... "the earth became - hayah" is without merit.

Gen 1:3 in the next verse says "and there was" when translating the same word. There is no indication the light became destroyed and God re-made it.

But you didn't see "was" there a single time, did you???????? So to even postulate it could mean "was" is totally without merit and needs no consideration.

Agreed?

So now we go to context, and we look in all places tohu wa bohu is used together - and in both other verses it refers to a once flourishing condition that was made desolate and waste. So give me a valid reason I should ignore that "was" is not used anywhere and that in both other places it refers to a once flourishing condition made desolate and waste?

If you would look in all the verses you will find it is referring to a change of state - not an existing condition from the start. That is - something changes from one state of existence into another. In this case a once flourishing condition into a state of desolation and darkness.

 

[-57]

But you didn't see "was" there a single time, did you???????? So to even postulate it could mean "was" is totally without merit and needs no consideration.

Agreed?

So now we go to context, and we look in all places tohu wa bohu is used together - and in both other verses it refers to a once flourishing condition that was made desolate and waste. So give me a valid reason I should ignore that "was" is not used anywhere and that in both other places it refers to a once flourishing condition made desolate and waste?

If you would look in all the verses you will find it is referring to a change of state - not an existing condition from the start. That is - something changes from one state of existence into another. In this case a once flourishing condition into a state of desolation and darkness.

As my post pointed out...the same word in the same fashion was used for the light. You would then have us believe that the light changed state and no longer is in the original existing condition.

 

[RickG]

What I am wanting to be discussed in this thread are the actual creation science papers/articles that dispute various dating methods used in the earth sciences. What are their claims and what do they present to support those claims? Keep to the science, please.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

As my post pointed out...the same word in the same fashion was used for the light. You would then have us believe that the light changed state and no longer is in the original existing condition.

The Hebrew word for light also denotes heat, which in Hebrew the word day implies. So what happened when God moved upon the darkness and heat began penetrating the clouds? Evaporation began to occur, the waters above were separated from the waters below and dry land appeared. Until then the clouds above were so low as to be indistinguishable from the waters - there was no demarcation line between them as we have now with the open sky. When the clouds began to be separated and dry land appeared - the stars became visible in the skies and were then appointed to serve as signs for religious ceremonies and seasons, planting and sowing. For this reason the Hebrew's start the day at the evening, because darkness preceded the light. The account in genesis is as if one stood on the earth while the events unfolded. The evening became, and the morning became - one day. But not until the fourth day were the clouds sufficiently cleared so the stars could become fully visible.

The light always existed, it is the earth that changed and became enveloped in darkness. Comet, meteor, who knows what caused the extinction of the dinosaurs - the 5th creation. Man and the animals with him were part of the 6th creation. There is no discrepancy between chapter one and chapter two, when you realize different creations are being discussed.

"Hayah" is not used with the light - only with the darkness that came to be on the earth.

 

[RickG]

The Hebrew word for light also denotes heat, which in Hebrew the word day implies. So what happened when God moved upon the darkness and heat began penetrating the clouds? Evaporation began to occur, the waters above were separated from the waters below and dry land appeared. Until then the clouds above were so low as to be indistinguishable from the waters - there was no demarcation line between them as we have now with the open sky. When the clouds began to be separated and dry land appeared - the stars became visible in the skies and were then appointed to serve as signs for religious ceremonies and seasons, planting and sowing. For this reason the Hebrew's start the day at the evening, because darkness preceded the light. The account in genesis is as if one stood on the earth while the events unfolded. The evening became, and the morning became - one day. But not until the fourth day were the clouds sufficiently cleared so the stars could become fully visible.

The light always existed, it is the earth that changed and became enveloped in darkness. Comet, meteor, who knows what caused the extinction of the dinosaurs - the 5th creation. Man and the animals with him were part of the 6th creation. There is no discrepancy between chapter one and chapter two, when you realize different creations are being discussed.

"Hayah" is not used with the light - only with the darkness that came to be on the earth.

Please review post #443.

 

[-57]

What I am wanting to be discussed in this thread are the actual creation science papers/articles that dispute various dating methods used in the earth sciences. What are their claims and what do they present to support those claims? Keep to the science, please.

This is a very deep and time consuming topic...I presented a video and tend to agree with it. Currently I have no faith in radiometric dating. Currently I put my faith in the bible. As a Presbyterian I though you would also...but you don't seem to agree with the reformed Presbyterians.

 

[-57]

The Hebrew word for light also denotes heat, which in Hebrew the word day implies. So what happened when God moved upon the darkness and heat began penetrating the clouds? Evaporation began to occur, the waters above were separated from the waters below and dry land appeared. Until then the clouds above were so low as to be indistinguishable from the waters - there was no demarcation line between them as we have now with the open sky. When the clouds began to be separated and dry land appeared - the stars became visible in the skies and were then appointed to serve as signs for religious ceremonies and seasons, planting and sowing. For this reason the Hebrew's start the day at the evening, because darkness preceded the light. The account in genesis is as if one stood on the earth while the events unfolded. The evening became, and the morning became - one day. But not until the fourth day were the clouds sufficiently cleared so the stars could become fully visible.

The light always existed, it is the earth that changed and became enveloped in darkness. Comet, meteor, who knows what caused the extinction of the dinosaurs - the 5th creation. Man and the animals with him were part of the 6th creation. There is no discrepancy between chapter one and chapter two, when you realize different creations are being discussed.

"Hayah" is not used with the light - only with the darkness that came to be on the earth.

It was the flood that caused the extinction of dinosaurs.

 

[bhsmte]

It was the flood that caused the extinction of dinosaurs.

Evidence?

 

[bhsmte]

This is a very deep and time consuming topic...I presented a video and tend to agree with it. Currently I have no faith in radiometric dating. Currently I put my faith in the bible. As a Presbyterian I though you would also...but you don't seem to agree with the reformed Presbyterians.

We know, you like you're videos.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It was the flood that caused the extinction of dinosaurs.

There was no flood, and that is lucky for me since I had a fried dinosaur for dinner today.

 

[Derek Meyer]

This is a very deep and time consuming topic...

Yes, we know. Around 200 hundred years of it. By literally tens of thousands of specialists over centuries. The conclusions are that the earth is very, very old. And no global flood involved.

 

[Derek Meyer]

Hello Rick. If we examine a rock with lead in it, then we examine the lead isotopes.

Hey, wait, we can actually examine the crystals containing lead, too.

 

[Derek Meyer]

We agree, basically everything they thought they knew about radioactive decay has been turned upside down, if people are wiling to see the truth.

Really? Where? I mean, that nuclear bomb exploded over Hiroshima more than a few years ago. And nuclear powers stations still work. And my GPS is doing quite fine. Atomic theory works.

 

[Derek Meyer]

It was the flood that caused the extinction of dinosaurs.

Really? A flood caused the extinction of non-avian dinosaurs 65 million years ago?

 

[RickG]

This is a very deep and time consuming topic...I presented a video and tend to agree with it.

That's why I specifically said I wanted discuss their science papers, what they wrote, their data and reasoning from making their claims. I am not interested in videos made by people who do not contribute to the creation science literature.

Currently I have no faith in radiometric dating.

How about non-radiometric methods?

 

[Derek Meyer]

Currently I have no faith in radiometric dating. Currently I put my faith in the bible.

I don't need faith in radiometric dating as radiometric dating is quite reliable. Old earth methods work.

 

[-57]

Evidence?

They're buried.

 

[-57]

Yes, we know. Around 200 hundred years of it. By literally tens of thousands of specialists over centuries. The conclusions are that the earth is very, very old. And no global flood involved.

Yes Derek, you're bible is wrong. There was no flood. No Adam, No garden. No fall.

 

[-57]

Really? A flood caused the extinction of non-avian dinosaurs 65 million years ago?

Well, there were several dino's on the ark.

 

[RickG]

Well, there were several dino's on the ark.

With respect to the topic of this thread, I would like to suggest that you provide a citation to a specific creation science paper concerning the flood so we can discuss the scientific content contained with it. You help will be appreciated.

Blessings.