Deep Space structures surprising connection to quantum

[dad]

"Enormous disks of stars or debris can operate under the same rules as subatomic particles, changing based on the Schrodinger equation, which physicists use to model quantum-mechanical systems."

"There's this intriguing reciprocity between the mathematics that govern the behavior of the subatomic world and the mathematics that governs the behavior [and] long-term evolution of these astronomical things that unfold on much, much longer timescales," he added. "That, I think, is a remarkable and intriguing consequence."

Massive Space Structures Have Surprising Connection to Quantum Mechanics Math


So the supposedly huge galaxies operate under the same rules as subatomic particles...!

Since science does not know the distance to any star, this could be more significant than they thought.

(distances to cosmological objects are derived using time and space that exists here, and only assumed to also exist all through the universe)

Could it be that the galaxies operate like small things because...the are small things? Who knows?

 

[Sabertooth]

That was the premise of the first Men in Black movie (1997). Both throughout the movie and its end scene.

 

[timewerx]

"Enormous disks of stars or debris can operate under the same rules as subatomic particles,

I actually made a thread here in the science forums a few years ago, suggesting we live within an atom and everyone thought I'm crazy!

It was based an article I came across regarding red shift occurring in discreet patterns similar to the energy levels of an electron.

And then another research made by a Japanese physicist that crystalline formation is responding to words that are written in English!! :o :o

Didn't the Bible said there is power in words, so be careful in the things you say. Be careful in the things you give importance to..

Do not love money in particular. Be extravagantly generous. Countries that love money/greed are also in grave disorder, lots of infighting, corruption, and everyone is leaving in droves.

Imagine if universes exist in us, your actions might be setting an example for them. So greed, selfishness, love of money, is like cancer, it will make you sick and get old quick.

 

[Halbhh]

"Enormous disks of stars or debris can operate under the same rules as subatomic particles, changing based on the Schrodinger equation, which physicists use to model quantum-mechanical systems."

"There's this intriguing reciprocity between the mathematics that govern the behavior of the subatomic world and the mathematics that governs the behavior [and] long-term evolution of these astronomical things that unfold on much, much longer timescales," he added. "That, I think, is a remarkable and intriguing consequence."

Massive Space Structures Have Surprising Connection to Quantum Mechanics Math


So the supposedly huge galaxies operate under the same rules as subatomic particles...!

Since science does not know the distance to any star, this could be more significant than they thought.

(distances to cosmological objects are derived using time and space that exists here, and only assumed to also exist all through the universe)

Could it be that the galaxies operate like small things because...the are small things? Who knows?

yah, that's a fun article, and I like your idea that it may even apply on a galaxy sized scale, which would be about the order of 100,000 times bigger than a solar system or black hole accretion disk. That's quite possible, and would be very fascinating, though perhaps hard to detect.

Here's a fun experiment you can do in 10 seconds or less that shows how we can use trigonometry to calculate distances to some nearby stars --

1) Stand about 6 or 8 feet from one of your windows and look out the window at something a block or so away that lines up to the edge of the window in your sight, and then

2) move your head sideways back and forth a small amount over and over -- notice how the window frame edge shifts in apparent location a fixed amount against the more distant background objects as your head moves sideways a fixed amount.

This simple effect, based on geometry alone, is called "parallax".

We could use this geometry effect with nearby stars, because as the Earth orbits the sun in a consistent way, and we know diameter of Earth's orbit.

And, over 12 months, as the Earth orbits the sun, certain stars visibly shift against the background of stars consistently, in that same 12 month period, over and over, by the same periodic amount (and we can also figure out the stars constant motion after several observations, and subtract that out, and get the exact periodic shift in high precision).

Because we know the diameter of Earth's orbit -- 186 million miles, the amount a star shifts back and forth only depends on it's distance!

Then it's only high school level trigonometry!

You have 1 side and 2 angles! The triangle is fixed, and you can calculate the long sides!

With the highly precise Hubble telescope, it's become possible to detect the shifting of nearby stars out to about 10,000 light years distance. Because of this we know the distances to many nearby stars using the trigonometry and high school level math, which most of us could do if we took the time and effort, and which has been done by many different teams of astronomers.

I actually made a thread here in the science forums a few years ago, suggesting we live within an atom and everyone thought I'm crazy!

It was based an article I came across regarding red shift occurring in discreet patterns similar to the energy levels of an electron.

And then another research made by a Japanese physicist that crystalline formation is responding to words that are written in English!!

Didn't the Bible said there is power in words, so be careful in the things you say. Be careful in the things you give importance to..

Do not love money in particular. Be extravagantly generous. Countries that love money/greed are also in grave disorder, lots of infighting, corruption, and everyone is leaving in droves.

Imagine if universes exist in us, your actions might be setting an example for them. So greed, selfishness, love of money, is like cancer, it will make you sick and get old quick.

 

[SkyWriting]

"Enormous disks of stars or debris can operate under the same rules as subatomic particles, changing based on the Schrodinger equation, which physicists use to model quantum-mechanical systems.""There's this intriguing reciprocity between the mathematics that govern the behavior of the subatomic world and the mathematics that governs the behavior [and] long-term evolution of these astronomical things that unfold on much, much longer timescales," he added. "That, I think, is a remarkable and intriguing consequence."Massive Space Structures Have Surprising Connection to Quantum Mechanics Math
So the supposedly huge galaxies operate under the same rules as subatomic particles...!Since science does not know the distance to any star, this could be more significant than they thought.(distances to cosmological objects are derived using time and space that exists here, and only assumed to also exist all through the universe) Could it be that the galaxies operate like small things because...the are small things? Who knows?

Good to hear. People have long said that Quantum forces should reflect in the "larger" reality. I am always amused though that scientists will admit "surprise" which shows they were operating on presumptions before that moment.

 

[dad]

That was the premise of the first Men in Black movie (1997). Both throughout the movie and its end scene.

Ha

 

[dad]

I actually made a thread here in the science forums a few years ago, suggesting we live within an atom and everyone thought I'm crazy!

It was based an article I came across regarding red shift occurring in discreet patterns similar to the energy levels of an electron.

And then another research made by a Japanese physicist that crystalline formation is responding to words that are written in English!!

Didn't the Bible said there is power in words, so be careful in the things you say. Be careful in the things you give importance to..

Do not love money in particular. Be extravagantly generous. Countries that love money/greed are also in grave disorder, lots of infighting, corruption, and everyone is leaving in droves.

Imagine if universes exist in us, your actions might be setting an example for them. So greed, selfishness, love of money, is like cancer, it will make you sick and get old quick.

Hard to imagine things if we get too out in imagination land. I am sure God set it up all just right, regardless of what sizes far space bodies may be.

There are some issues with what the bible says that do not jive with what science says about the universe.

For example, science says earth came later, and the stars first. The bible says earth first. The bible seems to say the stars will all go out in the end time, while science talks of billions of years. The bible talks of water from beyond where stars are being delivered to earth via some conduit called windows of heaven. Science seems to think space and time are such that this is not possible. Gabriel came from where God is, out beyond the universe we know and where stars are...and got here so fast he was there when Daniel finished praying! Science envisions some 14 billion light YEARS of time required to get out there.

 

[Halbhh]

science says earth came later, and the stars first. The bible says earth first.

Please look again! --

verse 1:
New International Version
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

New Living Translation
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

English Standard Version
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

Berean Study Bible
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

New American Standard Bible
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

King James Bible
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Christian Standard Bible
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
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The 'heavens' means all the Universe, galaxies, stars....

 

[dad]

yah, that's a fun article, and I like your idea that it may even apply on a galaxy sized scale, which would be about the order of 100,000 times bigger than a solar system or black hole accretion disk. That's quite possible, and would be very fascinating, though perhaps hard to detect.

Here's a fun experiment you can do in 10 seconds or less that shows how we can use trigonometry to calculate distances to some nearby stars --

1) Stand about 6 or 8 feet from one of your windows and look out the window at something a block or so away that lines up to the edge of the window in your sight, and then

Sorry, what happens in earth reflects what goes on here on earth. What has this got to do with what time is like in the far reaches of the created universe?

This simple effect, based on geometry alone, is called "parallax".

Yes, that is where we look at time and space here, draw a line that represents this, and try to make the unknown universe equal that line. Religion.

We could use this geometry effect with nearby stars, because as the Earth orbits the sun in a consistent way, and we know diameter of Earth's orbit.

And, over 12 months, as the Earth orbits the sun, certain stars visibly shift against the background of stars consistently, in that same 12 month period, over and over, by the same periodic amount (and we can also figure out the stars constant motion after several observations, and subtract that out, and get the exact periodic shift in high precision).

The stars do have their courses, yes. How big they are and how far away is not known.

For example I think they claim some stars are thousands of times bigger than our sun....religion.

Because we know the diameter of Earth's orbit -- 186 million miles, the amount a star shifts back and forth only depends on it's distance!

Then it's only high school level trigonometry!

Fishbowl level. You see some the lines in the so called trigonometry equation come from here. They represent our space and time. You cannot draw lines to stars as if the time was the same just because you have a pencil and an urge to draw lines!

You have 1 side and 2 angles! The triangle is fixed, and you can calculate the long sides!

No. You can't, what you are doing is using the fishbowl time and space line taken from the solar system, and trying to make it equal in value of time and space to the long lines. Religion.

With the highly precise Hubble telescope, it's become possible to detect the shifting of nearby stars out to about 10,000 light years distance.

Wrong. The distance is not known. Yes light out there does get shifted. So what?

 

[dad]

Please look again! --

verse 1:
New International Version
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

New Living Translation
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

English Standard Version
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

Berean Study Bible
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

New American Standard Bible
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

King James Bible
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Christian Standard Bible
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
------------------

The 'heavens' means all the Universe, galaxies, stars....

Right and in the beginning Adam and Eve were married. That does not mean before they were created on day six!

The heavens can refer to what you say, but can also probably refer to the space into which the stars were put/created/made.

 

[dad]

Good to hear. People have long said that Quantum forces should reflect in the "larger" reality. I am always amused though that scientists will admit "surprise" which shows they were operating on presumptions before that moment.

Funny that on earth the large things do not seem to operate on the quantum level but the classical.

Seems somewhat odd that what they claim are massive galaxies seem to obey quantum math?

As for science being surprised, I guess they always will be, as they scramble to concoct patchwork new theories and claims, until the day they all get totally and forever busted.

 

[Halbhh]

Funny that on earth the large things do not seem to operate on the quantum level but the classical.

Seems somewhat odd that what they claim are massive galaxies seem to obey quantum math?

As for science being surprised, I guess they always will be, as they scramble to concoct patchwork new theories and claims, until the day they all get totally and forever busted.

Disks. "Accretion disks". A galaxy is vastly larger than an accretion disk. (Though it often can be in a disk shape). But the accretion disks in the article are actually far simpler in complexity than a star or a galaxy, so this allows them to do less complex behavior.

 

[SkyWriting]

Funny that on earth the large things do not seem to operate on the quantum level but the classical.

Seems somewhat odd that what they claim are massive galaxies seem to obey quantum math?

As for science being surprised, I guess they always will be, as they scramble to concoct patchwork new theories and claims, until the day they all get totally and forever busted.

The lesson from Quantum physics is that reality is not always straightforward as we thought.

 

[dad]

Disks. "Accretion disks". A galaxy is vastly larger than an accretion disk. (Though it often can be in a disk shape). But the accretion disks in the article are actually far simpler in complexity than a star or a galaxy, so this allows them to do less complex behavior.

It is still supposed to be large.

"An accretion disk is a structure (often a circumstellar disk) formed by diffused material in orbital motion around a massive central body. The central body is typically a star. Friction causes orbiting material in the disk to spiral inward towards the central body."

wiki


So, if a basketball on earth obeys classical laws/math it seems somewhat strange that a massive body surrounding a star would not.

 

[dad]

The lesson from Quantum physics is that reality is not always straightforward as we thought.

True.