Deep misconceptions about catholicism

[Wolseley]

For every one time I hear the name Jesus, I hear the name Mary 500 times more, and "pope" 100 times more. Every time I turn on EWTN out of curiousity, "Mary" ... "Our Lady" ... "Mother of God" ... "pope" ... "Mary" ... "Our Lady" ... "Mother of God" ... "oh yes, that Jesus guy" ... "pope" ... "Mary" ... "Our Lady" ... "pope"... "Mother of God" ... "pope"

And the entire body of Catholic teaching pertaining to Mary is summed up in John 2:5; Mary says, pointing to Jesus, “Do whatever he tells you.”

You apparently have very little knowledge of the Catholic doctrines concerning Mary, the Communion of Saints, or intercessory prayer. And that's okay---nobody's telling you that you have to agree with us. But you also can't come onto the Catholic forum and tell us how "wrong" we are simply because we don't believe as you do.

 

[Angeldove97]

I am thankful and blessed that I belong to the Church that every believer, every Mass celebrated, every Feast day celebrated, every single Saint that we have, and every prayer we say points to Christ.

Even when we say a prayer to a Saint or our blessed Mother- we are praying for their intercession for Christ's help and guidance.

The Catholic Church is all about Christ- I'm very sad to see so many non-Catholics missing that point

 

[Angeldove97]

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[Sword of the Lord]

And the entire body of Catholic teaching pertaining to Mary is summed up in John 2:5; Mary says, pointing to Jesus, “Do whatever he tells you.”

You apparently have very little knowledge of the Catholic doctrines concerning Mary, the Communion of Saints, or intercessory prayer. And that's okay---nobody's telling you that you have to agree with us. But you also can't come onto the Catholic forum and tell us how "wrong" we are simply because we don't believe as you do.

I just can't seem to recall where I said you're "wrong" or deny the importance of Mary and Marian theology. I do recall, however, simply saying whose name(s) I hear more than Jesus' and that I can see where this person in the OP is coming from. Considering one of the first things Pope Francis said was that he was going to go pray to Mary doesn't help people on the outside, either.

I have a pretty deep interest in Orthodoxy at the moment, and the founder of my current church had a deep devotion to Mary; so you're not going to hear "wrong" come from me, unless of course you put words in my...errr, keyboard? and lie about it.

Not denying that Mary's name comes up more than Jesus' isn't saying you're wrong or being ignorant of Catholic doctrine.

 

[sonshine234]

For every one time I hear the name Jesus, I hear the name Mary 500 times more, and "pope" 100 times more. Every time I turn on EWTN out of curiousity, "Mary" ... "Our Lady" ... "Mother of God" ... "pope" ... "Mary" ... "Our Lady" ... "Mother of God" ... "oh yes, that Jesus guy" ... "pope" ... "Mary" ... "Our Lady" ... "pope"... "Mother of God" ... "pope"

All I hear when I turn on Protestant TV is "give money, give money, give money...."

 

[Sword of the Lord]

All I hear when I turn on Protestant TV is "give money, give money, give money...."

Pretty much, yes, and it's awful. Thank God Lutherans and Anglicans are a very different breed than those hooligans you see on TBN and SBN, etc. Actually, the Catholic Church and money was one of the hot button issues with Luther.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Interesting.

The Church definitely doesn't promote the pope in the way this person thinks. The media did not need the Vatican's encouragement to make a big deal of the retirement.

I'm bummed that this person has not really experienced Catholicism. The Church is definitely talking about Jesus.

Precisely.
It's all about Jesus - every Mass. Every teaching. Every cranny.



I am confused.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I just can't seem to recall where I said you're "wrong" or deny the importance of Mary and Marian theology. I do recall, however, simply saying whose name(s) I hear more than Jesus' and that I can see where this person in the OP is coming from. Considering one of the first things Pope Francis said was that he was going to go pray to Mary doesn't help people on the outside, either.

I have a pretty deep interest in Orthodoxy at the moment, and the founder of my current church had a deep devotion to Mary; so you're not going to hear "wrong" come from me, unless of course you put words in my...errr, keyboard? and lie about it.

Not denying that Mary's name comes up more than Jesus' isn't saying you're wrong or being ignorant of Catholic doctrine.

Surprisingly - Marian devotion remained part of Lutheran teachings via Luther - and Calvin - to be honest.
I am almost certain Zwigli didnt even denounce her importance.

Enjoy your journey to Orthodoxy. They are just as devoted to our Lady - our helper.


At Mass - it is all about Jesus.
In the teachings - including Marian teachings - it is all about Jesus.
That doesnt mean subjects do not come up - regarding Mary's role in our salvation - and how she helps us even now in Heaven.
But she is Not God. NOR do we treat her as such.

 

[WarriorAngel]

For everyone's info I didn't write this stuff. I came across it copied and pasted it!

Sorry - i missed the link.

 

[Needing_Grace]

All I hear when I turn on Protestant TV is "give money, give money, give money...."

That's because most Protestant TV is from the Non-Lutheran wing of the Reformation. Seriously.

Listen to old-fashioned confessional Lutherans (they usually self-identify as Evangelical Catholics) and they'll be all about the theology of the Cross, Christ's sacrifice, Law and Gospel, etc. It's usually done on radio because those aren't very sexy topics for a visual forum...but the shlock you see on TBN and its ilk...all designed to tickle itching ears as sound doctrine is hardly tolerated anymore. A prosperity 'gospel' that feed the narcissism of most modern people. Emotionalism and hype meant to evoke religious feelings without any solid foundation such as Word and Sacrament.

It's the same reason that, save for EWTN, there isn't much Catholic TV either...we just have the all around beauty to go along with the sound doctrine...and lots and lots of devotionals to full a schedule full of good, solid Catholicism.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

My lovely wife just relinquished the television remote to me (after 3 hours worth of 'Say Yes To The Dress' - thank you Jesus for giving me the strength to get through it!), and I immediately went to EWTN. The show 'Sunday Night Prime' is on. There's an overweight, middle-aged, bald English gentleman speaking with the host of the show. He spoke of going to Vegas and gambling 200 dollars away and feeling awful about it. He then went to a church where he saw a statue of the Blessed Mother. He said he knelt before it and began to pray to her in sorrow. He said he heard her say, "Let me pray over you," and he felt her place her hands on his heart. He said she said, "There's nothing in you I don't accept; there's nothing in you I don't love; there's nothing in you I don't cherish." He said he was crying and crying, and came out of that church and never gambled again. He said, "It's like she illuminated my heart." Then they spoke some more about Mary before I stopped paying attention.

Mary, Mary, Mary. Why not go to Jesus for forgiveness, and then ask Mary to also pray for you? Why not get assurance that Jesus loves you, and then Mary? Why not remember that Jesus cherishes you?

Just saying, from the outside looking in it's all about Mary. My ex-Catholic wife once told me that if she were to express something about her Catholic faith, such as wearing a shirt or something, it would have always been Marian.

I'm not rejecting Marian theology; just pointing out why people like the person in the OP think the way they do. In beginning to build that relationship with the BVM, I know who my rock is - Jesus. He is always first. I seek his assurance first, his love first, his forgiveness above all. This guy went straight to Mary and credits her for his healing.

 

[WarriorAngel]

My lovely wife just relinquished the television remote to me (after 3 hours worth of 'Say Yes To The Dress' - thank you Jesus for giving me the strength to get through it!), and I immediately went to EWTN. The show 'Sunday Night Prime' is on. There's an overweight, middle-aged, bald English gentleman speaking with the host of the show. He spoke of going to Vegas and gambling 200 dollars away and feeling awful about it. He then went to a church where he saw a statue of the Blessed Mother. He said he knelt before it and began to pray to her in sorrow. He said he heard her say, "Let me pray over you," and he felt her place her hands on his heart. He said she said, "There's nothing in you I don't accept; there's nothing in you I don't love; there's nothing in you I don't cherish." He said he was crying and crying, and came out of that church and never gambled again. He said, "It's like she illuminated my heart." Then they spoke some more about Mary before I stopped paying attention.

Mary, Mary, Mary. Why not go to Jesus for forgiveness, and then ask Mary to also pray for you? Why not get assurance that Jesus loves you, and then Mary? Why not remember that Jesus cherishes you?

Just saying, from the outside looking in it's all about Mary. My ex-Catholic wife once told me that if she were to express something about her Catholic faith, such as wearing a shirt or something, it would have always been Marian.

I'm not rejecting Marian theology; just pointing out why people like the person in the OP think the way they do. In beginning to build that relationship with the BVM, I know who my rock is - Jesus. He is always first. I seek his assurance first, his love first, his forgiveness above all. This guy went straight to Mary and credits her for his healing.

Obviously, and this is NOT always the case - but often our Lady 'brings ppl back to her Son.'
That's her role.

Remember in Cana?

She asked - and Jesus did so. And she turned and said 'Do as He says..'
Because she 'pulls' ppl back to the Lord. She did me... so even if you personally see no merit in her role - those who cling to the mother for help - find Jesus - in a big way.

In fact it is has Always been her role - because she brought her Son to the world - lest we forget. She participated in our salvation not in some inordinate - or passive way - but in the biggest way any human can - by consenting to God's will in her free will.
Unlike and opposed to Eve - who was the first to sin and reject God, Mary was the first to obey and become the First Christian.

No matter what anyone says - no one will ever be as devout as our Lady was to her Son. Her role is love us - and bring us to Him.

And coincidentally - tho Lutherans have a difficult time with purgatory - mystics having spoken to souls - were given a chance to purge - because of their devotion to our Lady... so the Lord didnt allow them hell.

Maybe someday - when your heart is more open to accepting her role and the love and favor God gave to her - it will be better understood.
Until then - there is no sufficient explanation.

 

[Nietzscheiswrong]

"Woman this is your son"
"Son this is your mother"

Jesus on the cross. Enough said.

 

[ZaidaBoBaida]

I think judging the entire Catholic faith by what is on EWTN would be like juding all of Protestant Christianity on what is on TBN or Pat Robertson's show.

 

[Tallguy88]

I think judging the entire Catholic faith by what is on EWTN would be like juding all of Protestant Christianity on what is on TBN or Pat Robertson's show.

QFT!

 

[MoreCoffee]

For every one time I hear the name Jesus, I hear the name Mary 500 times more, and "pope" 100 times more. Every time I turn on EWTN out of curiousity, "Mary" ... "Our Lady" ... "Mother of God" ... "pope" ... "Mary" ... "Our Lady" ... "Mother of God" ... "oh yes, that Jesus guy" ... "pope" ... "Mary" ... "Our Lady" ... "pope"... "Mother of God" ... "pope"

What is the above but a bit of bellicose complaining about somebody else's religion? Beside it isn't true. It's hyperbole. And it is rude.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

I think judging the entire Catholic faith by what is on EWTN would be like juding all of Protestant Christianity on what is on TBN or Pat Robertson's show.

Not even. Catholics are supposed to be one. Protestants are split in a million different denominations and vary greatly. Pentecostals and Lutherans are night and day.

 

[Michie]

What is the above but a bit of bellicose complaining about somebody else's religion? Beside it isn't true. It's hyperbole. And it is rude.

Yep. Plus it's weirdly obsessive.

 

[Tigg]

You don't need to worry about teaching me how to use a remote its not like using a remote takes some special skill that only people in the North are aware of. You say that like it takes some background, experience or education.

I'll fly up to your house, pull some books off your bookshelf and dust them off for you. Even teach you how to properly turn the pages. *shrug*

 

[Adversus haereses]

Just so you know, Catholics were the ones who first called them "Lutherans." Luther preferred the term "Evangelical Catholic."

Lutherans are anything but Catholic. They need to stop taking from our Nicene Creed.