Dedication to Mary

[nyj]

Originally posted by kern
I don't know, that's what I'm trying to figure out.

What does "full knowledge of their wrongdoing" mean? Does it include knowing that what they are doing is a grave sin?

Full knowledge means that they know what they are about to do is against God's will, yet they go ahead and do it anyways. What Christian (Catholic or non-Catholic) actually thinks that adultery, murder or rape isn't against God's will?

Originally posted by kern
So what about all the Protestants who commit grave sins (or mortal sins, even) , but do not go to confession. They might be saved, they might not be, regardless of what they believe about their salvation?

Well, the Catholic Church tells us to leave judgement up to God, but if I had to hazard a guess, if a non-Catholic committed a mortal sin and never repented (even in their heart) they would go to hell. If they expressed remorse for their actions, I would imagine God would forgive them but I imagine they'd wind up experiencing the "purgatorial fires" longer because they didn't receive the graces that the Sacrament of Reconciliation bestows.

Or, do you think that non-Catholics also get to skip Purgatory because they don't believe in it?

Originally posted by kern
What you seem to be saying is that a Protestant could unknowingly commit a mortal sin (he would know it was a sin, but not that it was a "mortal sin"), and then believe that he was going to heaven under an OSAS system when in fact he will be going to hell because of that mortal sin.

You cannot unknowingly commit a "mortal sin". The term is of little consequence, the criteria for a mortal sin is the same across all of the humanity. A sin grave enough to prevent us from getting into heaven requires an open rebellion against God, a spiteful, hateful rebellion, an open unrepetant nature. That the Catholic Church calls this act a "mortal sin" doesn't remove the burden to behave appropriately for all non-Catholics, for a rose by any other name is still a rose. Right?

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

You cannot unknowingly commit a "mortal sin". The term is of little consequence, the criteria for a mortal sin is the same across all of the humanity. A sin grave enough to prevent us from getting into heaven requires an open rebellion against God, a spiteful, hateful rebellion, an open unrepetant nature. That the Catholic Church calls this act a "mortal sin" doesn't remove the burden to behave appropriately for all non-Catholics, for a rose by any other name is still a rose. Right?

They would argue that a real Christian wouldnt ever do that anyway.

 

[kern]

OK, then I guess my confusion is still with exactly what a "mortal sin" is.

What if you're not sure if something you've done is a mortal sin? Does that automatically mean that it is not? Is it possible to do something, and then realize later "uh-oh, that might have been a mortal sin!"

Can you receive the Eucharist if you think you may have committed a mortal sin?

-Chris

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Its in the Catechism. If you commit something like murder with full knowledge that God doesnt like that, and you do it anyway, that is what is mortal. Not that you know it is called mortal.

 

[KC Catholic]

1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God's law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.

 

[jukesk9]

Originally posted by kern
OK, then I guess my confusion is still with exactly what a "mortal sin" is.

What if you're not sure if something you've done is a mortal sin? Does that automatically mean that it is not? Is it possible to do something, and then realize later "uh-oh, that might have been a mortal sin!"

Can you receive the Eucharist if you think you may have committed a mortal sin?

-Chris

<CENTER>Catholic theology teaches that three conditions must exist for the commission of a mortal sin:</CENTER>
[*]Grievous matter
[*]Sufficient reflection
[*]Full consent of the will

Yes, it's possible to do something and then realize later it might have been a mortal sin.&nbsp; But, it may not be a mortal sin to you because at the time, you didn't realize the seriousness of your actions, etc.&nbsp; It's best to go to&nbsp;Confession if you're not sure. &nbsp;

If you've committed a mortal sin, you need to go to Confession before you receive the Eucharist.&nbsp; St. Paul is very clear on this.&nbsp;

 

[kern]

Originally posted by jukesk9

If you've committed a mortal sin, you need to go to Confession before you receive the Eucharist.&nbsp; St. Paul is very clear on this.&nbsp;

Right, but what if you're not sure if something you've done is a mortal sin or not? Can you receive the Eucharist then?

-Chris

 

[Miss Shelby]

Right, but what if you're not sure if something you've done is a mortal sin or not? Can you receive the Eucharist then?

I would say that you probably shouldn't until you've discussed the matter with a Priest. The only reason I say this is because if you're questioning it... it's something that is bothering you. ( I don't mean to say 'you' as if referring to you personally... I'm just using the first person because you did)

Michelle

 

[ZooMom]

Originally posted by kern
Right, but what if you're not sure if something you've done is a mortal sin or not? Can you receive the Eucharist then?

-Chris

kern, if you aren't sure then you have not met the above criteria for what defines a sin as 'mortal'. If you did something without full knowledge of what you were doing, then how could you have given full consent of your will or sufficient reflection.

As far as receiving the Eucharist, it's always best to be safe rather than sorry. If you have *anything* on your conscience that is worrying you, unload it before approaching the Sacrament. That is no time to be having an internal quibble over whether the stain on your soul is 'mortal' or not.

 

[ZiSunka]

Wow.

This started by me asking about baby dedication and ended up a discussion about mortal sins.

Can I ask what that has to do with baby dedication or Mary?

 

[Wolseley]

And people say they refuse to believe in evolution......

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by Wolseley
And people say they refuse to believe in evolution......

Do you believe in it Wols?

 

[Wolseley]

I do when it comes to the way these threads can transmogrify from what the OP intended into something totally, completely different.

 

[seebs]

Huh. If only we could get it so that the thread *appeared* to be about the original topic to all the senses, but was *actually* about something else, we'd be able to use it as evidence for transubstantiation.

 

[ZooMom]

seebs...that was naughty...

 

[Extirpated Wildlife]

What does mediatrix mean?

 

[VOW]

To quizzler:

I think it has something to do with rabbits and cereal....


Peace and nonsense,
~VOW

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Silly quizler! Mary is for Catholics.



/grabs some Trix

 

[ZooMom]

Originally posted by quizzler
What does mediatrix mean?

It means that Mary obtains Graces for us through her intercession on our behalf. It means that by way of her unique relationship to God, and by way of being our Mother, she is concerned with our welfare and in a position to plead our cases as no other person is.

Peace be with you.

 

[Extirpated Wildlife]

That is not a Tradition correct?