Dedication to Mary

[Preachers12]

Originally posted by Stormy
Are the saints above the angels too?

People can rise above the angels!!

We were created below the angels... That is correct right?

Do these people then have supernatural powers?

I am also confused that Mary was taken to heaven in the flesh. Is that right? It seems like a burden to have to stay within ones flesh. It does not make sense to me.

But I am messing up this thread with all my questions.
I need to get out and pick up some books to at least get a basic understanding instead of ruining all the threads on this forum.

Sorry :o

Stormy, Peace be with you.

God Bless you and your questions!  They are wonderful!

When you do your research, read up on the Communion of Saints.  This may answer some of your questions in this area.

God Bless and stay safe.

 

[devoted]

Originally posted by s0uljah
Language means something. If I tell someone that I serve Mary, that is not going to come across correctly.

 

Well then don't say you serve Mary, say that you serve God through Mary. That is the truth. no sOul. we don't serve Mary, we give our service to God over to her. This is not the same thing as serving her.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

we give our service to God over to her

What does that mean? Are you simply saying we give our prayers over to her sometimes?

 

[devoted]

All it means is give all you have to God through the intercession of Mary if you want true and perfect holiness.

You do not have to practice this if you don't want to. I mean necessary in the sense that it is necessary if you want perfection and holiness REAL holiness the kind the saints had, but it is not nor is it a calling for everyone.

So if you don't want to do this you don't have to, but you do have to accept what the CCC and Vatican 2 etc...says about her.

There are many saints that shared this opinion and I so happen to agree that if I want true holiness and if I want to progress in holiness and grow and over come imperfections then through Mary is the way to do this.

It is an opinion but one that is in good company.

 

[ZiSunka]

Originally posted by devoted
All it means is give all you have to God through the intercession of Mary if you want true and perfect holiness.

You do not have to practice this if you don't want to. I mean necessary in the sense that it is necessary if you want perfection and holiness REAL holiness the kind the saints had, but it is not nor is it a calling for everyone.

So if you don't want to do this you don't have to, but you do have to accept what the CCC and Vatican 2 etc...says about her.

There are many saints that shared this opinion and I so happen to agree that if I want true holiness and if I want to progress in holiness and grow and over come imperfections then through Mary is the way to do this.

It is an opinion but one that is in good company.

Yikes! Holiness, real holiness, comes from serving Mary instead of God?!

This can't really be the Catholic teaching on holiness, can it!?

 

[devoted]

Originally posted by lambslove
Yikes! Holiness, real holiness, comes from serving Mary instead of God?!

This can't really be the Catholic teaching on holiness, can it!?

 

You are misunderstanding this and I haven't the strength to go through it again. To serve Mary is serving God. Not apart from God. Mary leads you to him not away from. Through Mary, Through Mary...through Mary. Not alone or apart from God do we serve Mary.

Just know that I am not saying that it is the only path or one that is for everybody, I am only saying that it is a valid devotional practice that Catholics use including JP2

 

[ZiSunka]

So Mary and God are one, then?

How can anyone serve two masters, Mary and God?

 

[VOW]

To Lambslove:

No, Mary and God are not "One." Mary is not a God, she is not a fourth hand to the Trinity, she's not worshipped.

She is honored. Period.



Peace be with you,
~VOW

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by VOW
To Lambslove:

No, Mary and God are not "One." Mary is not a God, she is not a fourth hand to the Trinity, she's not worshipped.

She is honored. Period.



Peace be with you,
~VOW

Is she inseperable from the Trinity, VOW? Since she is the spouse of the Holy Spirit?

 

[VOW]

To Souljah:

Let it go, please. Here I was so proud that the diabetic diet had seemed to cure my constant headaches, and now I'm getting tangled up in this mess.

Trinity = Three

Mary is the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, the Mother of Jesus. She doesn't have an OUNCE of divinity of her, so she's NOT part of the Trinity.

Go read Scott Hahn.



Peace,
~VOW

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by VOW


Mary is the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, the Mother of Jesus. She doesn't have an OUNCE of divinity of her, so she's NOT part of the Trinity.

I know, I was just wondering if you would say she is inseparable from it.

 

[VOW]

To Souljah:

I've never even THOUGHT about it.

I've decided I don't WANT to think about it.

I'm satisfied with what I believe, what I've learned through the Church.

I've got a bunch of books I ordered from Amazon from Wolseley's "recommended reading list." I hope they arrive today! Now THAT is something I can invest my energies into, rather than this Marian Mary-go-round!


Peace,
~VOW

 

[Stormy]

Ok ...

Are you guys just throwing words around?

Spouse?? Is Mary called the spouse of the Holy Spirit? Your joking right?

I thought the Church was the Bride?

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by Stormy
Ok ...

Are you guys just throwing words around?

Spouse?? Is Mary called the spouse of the Holy Spirit? Your joking right?

I thought the Church was the Bride?

Thats what devoted told me.

DISCLAIMER: By stating that devoted told me something, does in no way imply that devoted made it up or that other people don't agree with him. All rights reserved. Copyright 2003

 

[Stormy]

I think that using the word spouse must be a kind of poetic license.

The Holy Spirit is God as Jesus is God. The wedding is to be to the Church.

 

[jukesk9]

Sometimes she is referred to as the Spouse of the Holy Spirit. I found this explanation:

"Since the entire Trinity brought about the Incarnation, and since this was possible only since all Three Divine Persons are of One Divine Substance, the Holy Ghost is no less involved in the Incarnation than the other two Persons. Nevertheless, it is fitting that certain actions should be appropriated to one particular Person of the Most Holy Trinity rather than another, as demonstrated above. Thus, Mary is the Daughter of the Father, Mother of the Son, and Spouse of the Holy Ghost, since it is mentioned explicitly that the HOLY GHOST came upon Mary to impregnate her, even though it was, technically, a work of the entire Trinity ."

http://www.cathinsight.com/apologetics/svendsen/spouse.htm

 

[Stormy]

Originally posted by jukesk9
Sometimes she is referred to as the Spouse of the Holy Spirit. I found this explanation:

"Since the entire Trinity brought about the Incarnation, and since this was possible only since all Three Divine Persons are of One Divine Substance, the Holy Ghost is no less involved in the Incarnation than the other two Persons. Nevertheless, it is fitting that certain actions should be appropriated to one particular Person of the Most Holy Trinity rather than another, as demonstrated above. Thus, Mary is the Daughter of the Father, Mother of the Son, and Spouse of the Holy Ghost, since it is mentioned explicitly that the HOLY GHOST came upon Mary to impregnate her, even though it was, technically, a work of the entire Trinity ."

http://www.cathinsight.com/apologetics/svendsen/spouse.htm

So who is it the Church the bride of? Or is that just poetic?

 

[jukesk9]

Originally posted by VOW
Marian Mary-go-round!


Peace,
~VOW

Wait until Jack Chick sees that, VOW! LOL!  He'll say, "See, here's the latest addition to the Vatican Amusement Park!  Here the Beast will spin you around whilst spewing it's false, man made teachings.  The admission price is three death cookies."

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

The Church is the bride of Jesus.

 

[jukesk9]

Originally posted by Stormy
So who is it the Church the bride of? Or is that just poetic?

I think it's merely a poetic term, nothing less, nothing more.  We, the Church, are the Bride of Christ.