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Deciding whether or not to purge some hobbies I share with my wife

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I don't find D&D that fun..the girl I knew who was into that kind of thing and others playing boardgames were really into it, to the detriment of doing anything else, and if you didn't join in and play, they got angry.

I'm like whatever. This happened in a book club where some of the members were gamers and decided they just wanted to play games instead of actually discuss books. I don't go to a book club to play Catan or dixit or whatever. I mean, not my idea of fun.
Also, since the girl into D&D would not hang out with ppl who weren't, we never did stuff outside of bible study, so I kind of thought she was a bit snobbish.

Hmm yeah that's the thing about it, it's really 100% down to the group you have. We're probably lucky because we have such a good group, and we all decided to start playing together from the beginning, it wasn't a usurpation of anything else. Sorry to hear that it became divisive for your group :/

sounds like it takes over your life, and not really in a good way.

I find its easier to read or listen to music than watch tv.

It's probably just a matter of habit, because TV is what I've always done I find it "easier."

As Catherineanne was saying, you shouldn't punish your wife. That would be very unkind of you and uncalled for. Keep your mind out of the gutter when you see those sights you referred to and you'll be fine. It's not an impossible assignment.

This really is tough for me. I've been trying, and like I said it's really not a negative influence from a strictly marital perspective, but my mind is just so full of doubt about it. I don't have any peace. I've been praying that God would help me discern clearly the voice of the Spirit from my own internal voices.
 
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reading is my thing..TV, only certain shows. You need discernment as in everything, don't just read any old thing or watch any old thing just cos it's there.

Anyway, we can pray you find a new activity that both of you will enjoy in a kind of chilled out, no pressure way. I'm into cat jigsaw puzzles myself with my dad.
 
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After reading this thread, I can relate to you. Like you, I was big anime fan, but my interest has weaned over the past few months. Part of this reason has been after becoming much more serious about my walk with Christ. One of the biggest problems with anime is the amount of sexuality present in most of those series. Part of this is due to Japan being a highly secular nation, and with the entertainment industry, sex sells. Another reason that caused me to significantly wean from anime was about two years ago, I saw an extremely good anime series that made many other series after that look pale.

However, there are problems with entertainment. To quote Leonard Ravenhill, "the devil's substitute for joy is entertainment". Many seek their joy in this sinful world and not in the Lord. Jesus must be number one in our lives. He is everything or he is nothing. Anything else what we make above the Lord is idolatry and no idolater shall enter into heaven. Also, a few months ago, I received a dream, where a man named Jan "Justice" Boshoff, also known as FinalCall07, was telling his internet audience that anime is demonic (I think). There is likely some truth to this statement for Satan and the demons are using the entertainment industry to lure many people to hell. The Lord has shown this truth through his prophets like Angelica Zambrano, Rodolfo Acevedez Hernandez, Rachael Mushala, and Zipporah Mushala. They were shown how demons disguise themselves as cartoon characters in shows like Pokemon, Dragon Ball Z, Ben 10, Doral, Scooby Doo, Disney's Cinderella, Disney's Little Mermaid, Disney's Beauty and the Beast, and in Nintendo Games.

If we look into the Bible, those who are friends of this world are enemies against God (James 4:4). We are told not to love the world, neither the things in this world, for he who loves the world, has not the love of the Father (1 John 2:15). We most be HOLY, RIGHTEOUS, and BLAMELESS in these final minutes before the great tribulation.

You said that you and your wife were planning on having kids. I would advise not having them, for the hour of our Lord's return is very, very near. It would be hard on you, your wife, and your children if you all happen to miss the rapture. If you do indeed have a television, I would advise you throw it into the trash, along with some of your merchandise.

I would advise do it slowly and make sure you do so out of love for God. A few months ago, I had some hobbies that I really like (and part of me still likes) that I gave up because I thought that they were idols. Unfortunately, I fell into the problems that aiki mentioned because my motives were not out of love, but out fear of ending up in hell.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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After reading this thread, I can relate to you. Like you, I was big anime fan, but my interest has weaned over the past few months. Part of this reason has been after becoming much more serious about my walk with Christ. One of the biggest problems with anime is the amount of sexuality present in most of those series. Part of this is due to Japan being a highly secular nation, and with the entertainment industry, sex sells. Another reason that caused me to significantly wean from anime was about two years ago, I saw an extremely good anime series that made many other series after that look pale.

However, there are problems with entertainment. To quote Leonard Ravenhill, "the devil's substitute for joy is entertainment". Many seek their joy in this sinful world and not in the Lord. Jesus must be number one in our lives. He is everything or he is nothing. Anything else what we make above the Lord is idolatry and no idolater shall enter into heaven. Also, a few months ago, I received a dream, where a man named Jan "Justice" Boshoff, also known as FinalCall07, was telling his internet audience that anime is demonic (I think). There is likely some truth to this statement for Satan and the demons are using the entertainment industry to lure many people to hell. The Lord has shown this truth through his prophets like Angelica Zambrano, Rodolfo Acevedez Hernandez, Rachael Mushala, and Zipporah Mushala. They were shown how demons disguise themselves as cartoon characters in shows like Pokemon, Dragon Ball Z, Ben 10, Doral, Scooby Doo, Disney's Cinderella, Disney's Little Mermaid, Disney's Beauty and the Beast, and in Nintendo Games.

If we look into the Bible, those who are friends of this world are enemies against God (James 4:4). We are told not to love the world, neither the things in this world, for he who loves the world, has not the love of the Father (1 John 2:15). We most be HOLY, RIGHTEOUS, and BLAMELESS in these final minutes before the great tribulation.

You said that you and your wife were planning on having kids. I would advise not having them, for the hour of our Lord's return is very, very near. It would be hard on you, your wife, and your children if you all happen to miss the rapture. If you do indeed have a television, I would advise you throw it into the trash, along with some of your merchandise.

I would advise do it slowly and make sure you do so out of love for God. A few months ago, I had some hobbies that I really like (and part of me still likes) that I gave up because I thought that they were idols. Unfortunately, I fell into the problems that aiki mentioned because my motives were not out of love, but out fear of ending up in hell.

May Jesus bless you.
anime isn't demonic, nothing in entertainment is. Sinful humans are what makes entertainment have all of the problems it does. I don't know if the devil delights in every TV show made, but people are responsible for their own content. Adam and Eve tried the same excuse that someone else made them sin. Also, the blood moon tonight won't cause the rapture, and I look forward to seeing it. ;)
 
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I think God knows our weakness and thats why Jesus taught the Lords prayer to keep us from temptation and to deliver us from evil.

Do not walk in the path of the unrighteous and sit in the seat of scoffers and sinners. This may apply to your living room couch, I dont know, but sanctify your place. If jesus came back today, would he want to enter your house?
 
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After reading this thread, I can relate to you. Like you, I was big anime fan, but my interest has weaned over the past few months. Part of this reason has been after becoming much more serious about my walk with Christ. One of the biggest problems with anime is the amount of sexuality present in most of those series. Part of this is due to Japan being a highly secular nation, and with the entertainment industry, sex sells. Another reason that caused me to significantly wean from anime was about two years ago, I saw an extremely good anime series that made many other series after that look pale.

However, there are problems with entertainment. To quote Leonard Ravenhill, "the devil's substitute for joy is entertainment". Many seek their joy in this sinful world and not in the Lord. Jesus must be number one in our lives. He is everything or he is nothing. Anything else what we make above the Lord is idolatry and no idolater shall enter into heaven. Also, a few months ago, I received a dream, where a man named Jan "Justice" Boshoff, also known as FinalCall07, was telling his internet audience that anime is demonic (I think). There is likely some truth to this statement for Satan and the demons are using the entertainment industry to lure many people to hell. The Lord has shown this truth through his prophets like Angelica Zambrano, Rodolfo Acevedez Hernandez, Rachael Mushala, and Zipporah Mushala. They were shown how demons disguise themselves as cartoon characters in shows like Pokemon, Dragon Ball Z, Ben 10, Doral, Scooby Doo, Disney's Cinderella, Disney's Little Mermaid, Disney's Beauty and the Beast, and in Nintendo Games.

If we look into the Bible, those who are friends of this world are enemies against God (James 4:4). We are told not to love the world, neither the things in this world, for he who loves the world, has not the love of the Father (1 John 2:15). We most be HOLY, RIGHTEOUS, and BLAMELESS in these final minutes before the great tribulation.

You said that you and your wife were planning on having kids. I would advise not having them, for the hour of our Lord's return is very, very near. It would be hard on you, your wife, and your children if you all happen to miss the rapture. If you do indeed have a television, I would advise you throw it into the trash, along with some of your merchandise.

I would advise do it slowly and make sure you do so out of love for God. A few months ago, I had some hobbies that I really like (and part of me still likes) that I gave up because I thought that they were idols. Unfortunately, I fell into the problems that aiki mentioned because my motives were not out of love, but out fear of ending up in hell.

May Jesus bless you.

My wife and I are both saved, bought by the blood of Christ, and our hope is sure and steadfast. There is no possibility of us "missing the rapture," no matter our condition. There is no entertainment or sin of any kind that could land us in Hell because we have already been made to "sit together in heavenly places in Christ." Be careful not mock the work of Christ or cheapen the price He paid by assuming it to be so frail as to be made of no effect by a TV show.

Every generation of saints has believed that theirs was likely the last and that the Lord's return was imminent. I also believe that His return is very soon, all the signs point to it. But if all of those believers throughout the 2000 years of church history stopped having kids as a result of their sense of urgency, we would likely not have any Christians today. (See what happened to the Shakers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers)

I think it's wise to live like the Lord's coming back tomorrow, and plan like he's coming back in 1,000 years. Neither you nor anyone else knows when the Lord is coming back, not even the angels in heaven know. So you must live with the boldness and vigilance of believing this day could be your last. But you also still need to be sensible, for instance saving money against the future. If the Lord comes back today, then great! You never needed that money. But if He tarries, you'll be glad that you did save. The same logic applies to having children, as they are your most precious investment in the future.

I also would advise taking any "revelation" from any dream that you have with a gigantic grain of salt. The primary source of revelation is God's word. The second best source is the *consensus* of other believers (which is why I would also advise taking the testimony of the "prophets" you mentioned with another massive salt-grain, because their individual, separate experiences are not anywhere near as trustworthy as the simple, corporate prayer and counsel of your local church body.) The third best is your own conscience and the voice of the Spirit within you. Dreams are a very, very distant fourth or fifth or thirty-eighth.

(This is not to say that these people's experiences and your own dreams are always invalid. Some of them may actually be true, for "in the last days... your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams." My point is that those types of sources are not reliable and should not be with anywhere near as much reverence as the scriptures themselves. Anyone can say they've had a vision and make up all kinds of things, which is the source of many of the heresies and cults in the pseudo-Christian world. The closure of the canon of scripture is a *very* important doctrine for this reason.)

As for demons masquerading as cartoon characters... well, it is true that Satan is the prince of this world, and he bends the media and the economy and culture and politics to his will. That is not the same thing as saying that children's cartoons are almost universally demonized and extremely dangerous. Remember that there are many Christians who are involved in the creation of such media, and even the content creators who aren't Christians are still made in the image of God and capable of making something worthwhile from time to time. Beauty and the Beast is a fabulous story, and much of the media you referenced is honestly completely harmless. Fiction is just fiction, meaning it's not real. It should only be handled with such absolute caution if the viewer is extremely impressionable and unable to discern truth from falsehood.

All that said, the thrust of your post is not wrong. We do need to reject the world to draw closer to Christ, and we are called to walk blameless before Him. Friendship with the world *is* enmity with God. While I don't see any of our hobbies as idols, (really just diversions), the fact that they bother me so much is something that crowds my thinking, and I often start weighing this issue over and over when I'm trying to pray or focus on the things of the Lord. I don't want any affection I have for anything in the world, or any doubt about anything I do, to add any noise to my communication and communion with the Lord: I want to be able to focus on Him alone during those times of fellowship. I don't want my prayers to constantly be "Lord help me sort this issue," but simply dwelling on His person and work.

Perhaps I'm getting things backwards... perhaps, because I'm focusing so much on whether this is OK or not, my prayers are cluttered and ineffective. Maybe I should approach this from the other direction: simply to focus on Him and let the pruning happen on its own. Perhaps I should follow the advice of the old chorus: "Turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full in his wonderful face, and the things of earth will grow strangely dim in the light of His glory and grace."

I really haven't been that close to God recently with my prayer life, so that's probably why my sense of direction on this issue is so weak. And that lack of closeness really has nothing to do with the media I've typically consumed: some of my closest times with God have been during points in my life where I didn't really think twice about seeing animated thighs. It's really all about how much time you spend with Him, and recently that amount has been dismally low, simply because I got out of the habit of meeting with Him yet again. I think the thing you all can pray for the most is simply for me and my wife to be faithful to pray and eat the word together every day, as we intend to do but fail to do. That's certainly more important than cartoon selection, and will surely bring light to this issue through the voice of the Spirit growing stronger again in our hearts.
 
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I think God knows our weakness and thats why Jesus taught the Lords prayer to keep us from temptation and to deliver us from evil.

Do not walk in the path of the unrighteous and sit in the seat of scoffers and sinners. This may apply to your living room couch, I dont know, but sanctify your place. If jesus came back today, would he want to enter your house?

Well, Jesus enters our house every day we come home to it. And if He were coming back for us, there would be nothing in heaven or on earth or from the pits of Hell that could keep him from entering and taking us to Himself. But that's not really the point of your question, and the question is very appropriate. Just like He drove out the money changers from the temple, He wants to drive out every wicked and useless thing from His real temple - our hearts. And because our home is our dwelling place, and we are His dwelling place, our home is kind of like His temple too.

Our living room couch will always be the seat of sinners because we will always be sinners until we die or He comes back. But I understand what you're saying and I want to sanctify every part of our lives.
 
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Our living room couch will always be the seat of sinners because we will always be sinners until we die or He comes back. But I understand what you're saying and I want to sanctify every part of our lives.

Sinners will not enter into the kingdom of God. Only the righteous, the saints, will enter and they are
scarcely saved (1 Peter 4:18).
 
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If our admission into the kingdom of heaven is based on our cessation from sinning, then we are all lost. (Ecclesiastes 7:20)

I started writing out a refutation of the salvation-through-works theology but that's really not the purpose of this thread. More importantly, it's already been done by many men that are far more equipped for the task than I, so I will point you to one of them:http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-god-requires-christ-provides
 
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Its simple really. If what you do affects how you live then get rid of it. For example if you watch movies with tons of swearing and now find yourself swearing (or swore before but its worse now), then stop watching stuff with swearing. If you watch alot of action movies and find yourself seeing someone you don't like and thinking in your head of kicking their butt like a action star, time to curb action movies. In some cases you even have to curb friends who affect you. I've had to do this alot in order to get my walk with God back on track.
 
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