Deceiving the Nations.

[busterdog]

Why must a passage containing both factual history and metaphor be "wrong"?

Biblical inerrancy on matters of science is only an issue for the small Christian subsect that is YECism. Other Christians got over the matter hundreds of years ago. The Bible wasn't written 3000-2000 years ago with 21st century science on the minds of the authors! The Scriptures were written to convey spiritual truths with spiritual words (1 Corinthians 2:13), not scientific truths with scientific words. It is on matters of the spirit -- the very reason for which the Scriptures were written -- that the Bible is inerrant.

Two wrongs as in YEC inconsistency elsewhere does not excuse TE inconsistency on the issue of forcing an inconsistent hermeneutic to find geocentrism -- that is my argument.

An Episcopal Bishop wrote of his church at the time of the elevation of Bishop Mark in NH, who is gay, "we are small potatoes." The idea was that a "stand" by this church should be some momentous statement was not credible. Nor was it necessarily prudent for an arguably sinking ship to take on more water -- or for its captains to assume that pouring in this elixir of right thinking about gays was not simply taking on water.

It was a great essay. I wish I could find it again.

So to the TEs I would say that numerically, you are not that big of a deal. How many YEC believers are there in Africa? Many millions I would assume. How about China or India?

As for us egg-headed American inerrantists. I am sure we are also a flash in the pan compared to a much bigger picture.

 

[Mallon]

Two wrongs as in YEC inconsistency elsewhere does not excuse TE inconsistency on the issue of forcing an inconsistent hermeneutic to find geocentrism -- that is my argument.

TEs are far from the first to "find geocentrism" in the Bible. It's quite obviously there in the surface text, and has been recognized as such for thousands of years. Afterall, Luther did say, "Whoever wants to be clever must agree with nothing that others esteem. He must do something of his own. This is what that fellow does who wishes to turn the whole of astronomy upside down. Even in these things that are thrown into disorder I believe the Holy Scriptures, for Joshua commanded the sun to stand still and not the earth [Joshua 10:12]." And he was by no means a TE. Let's be honest: a steadfast literal hermeneutic forces us to hold to some pretty silly things in the face of simple observation.

 

[theFijian]

Why do you accept so-called surface text here to support your anti-inerrant agenda here

Since the foundation of your post is fundamentally incorrect, the rest is moot. vossler knows why his so-called hermeneutic is hypocritical yet he refuses to discuss it with me.

 

[theFijian]

You know for someone who's on your ignore list you sure can't help look and respond.

For someone who can't understand simple questions you do an awful lot of debating.

I haven't seen anything that addresses geocentrism as any sort of plain teaching.

That's because your hermeneutic is fundamentally inconsistent (or you are a hypocrit) and you ignore the scriptures plain teaching (by your own hermeneutic) on geocentrism, you pretend it doesn't exist.

 

[The Lady Kate]

For someone who can't understand simple questions you do an awful lot of debating.

That's because your hermeneutic is fundamentally inconsistent (or you are a hypocrit) and you ignore the scriptures plain teaching (by your own hermeneutic) on geocentrism, you pretend it doesn't exist.

It is nonsense to believe that it is not a lesson taught in the Bible... the only reason to deny it now is because Geocentricism is soundly refuted... and to admit that the Bible ever taught such a thing is to open up the Bible to the possibility of error.

And yet, if we are to discuss the Bible honestly, we have to accept that no matter how inspired the authors were, they were still fallible humans, products of their time, and limited in their knowledge... no matter how much God opened their eyes on some subjects, they were still very much in the dark in others.

 

[busterdog]

It is nonsense to believe that it is not a lesson taught in the Bible... the only reason to deny it now is because Geocentricism is soundly refuted... and to admit that the Bible ever taught such a thing is to open up the Bible to the possibility of error.

And yet, if we are to discuss the Bible honestly, we have to accept that no matter how inspired the authors were, they were still fallible humans, products of their time, and limited in their knowledge... no matter how much God opened their eyes on some subjects, they were still very much in the dark in others.

Dismantling the geocentrism canard:

http://www.christianforums.com/t5021948-seperating-metaphor-from-literal-truth.htm

 

[The Lady Kate]

Dismantling the geocentrism canard:

http://www.christianforums.com/t5021948-seperating-metaphor-from-literal-truth.htm

failing to do so... which post should I be looking at?