Debunking Calvinism with Scripture

[WileyCoyote]

Dude, you don't have to post the entire quote just say you agree, especially in the immediately following post.

I agree with the Canons of Dordt, but I part ways with Calvin on ecclesiology, especialy in the area of church discipline.

Sometimes extra exposure to truth causes people to change false views.

 

[TraderJack]

Is this biblical?

Yes.

 

[Evergreen48]

Yeah I noticed. Got to read it 2 times in a row

Well for goodness sakes! Just because the same thing is posted twice does not mean you have to read it twice.

How many LLOJs does it take to change a light bulb?

Two.

One to turn the chair while the other holds the light bulb in the socket.

Thats a joke folks. In real time Evergreen really does loves (agapao of course) LLOJ a lot.

 

[TraderJack]

Originally Posted by TraderJack
Originally Posted by Rick Otto
The Magesterium is described as error-free.
Isn't that what infallability means?



ROFLMFO!

Now, error free and no errors are not the same.

I have heard it all now.
But I'll hang around because there is no doubt that there will be more doublethink like that forthcoming.

I was wondering if anybody else noticed.

Absurd nonsense like that can't be missed.

Now I'm trying to figure out how Servetus became Catholic. Maybe he's being confused with one of his brothers.

But I've never heard a RC respond, never mind admit, that Servetus was already on the Inquisition's execution list:
"On April 4, 1553 Servetus was arrested by the Roman Catholic authorities, and imprisoned in Vienne. He escaped from prison three days later. On June 17, he was convicted of heresy by the French inquisition, "thanks to the 17 letters sent by Jehan Calvin, preacher in Geneva"[15] and sentenced to be burned with his books. An effigy and his books were burned in his absence." from Wikipedia

To admit that would spoil the illusion.

 

[stumpjumper]

Off to Christian Scriptures.

 

[TraderJack]

Exactly.

Our God is different from the God that Calvinist believe in.

But the same as the Muslims.

 

[Rick Otto]

"Debunking Calvinism with Scripture"
or
"Throwing gasoline on a fire to put it out"

 

[artybloke]

Is this the ten-minute argument or the full half-hour?

(Monty Python)

Haven't you got something better to do, like scare some poor innocent kid with talking about hell?

 

[chestertonrules]

Is this the ten-minute argument or the full half-hour?

(Monty Python)

Haven't you got something better to do, like scare some poor innocent kid with talking about hell?

Perhaps that would be more productive!

 

[JacktheCatholic]

"Debunking Calvinism with Scripture"
or
"Throwing gasoline on a fire to put it out"

I know Calvinism is bad but I am surprised anyone is saying it is that bad...

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Jack, you better make the distinction between doctrine and dogma.

Such has beeen done before and with you in the audience.

I am sure if you were listening then you know the answer.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

So Michael Servetus was murdered by Calvinists.....because he was Catholic? Did John Calvin have anything at all to do with this murder?

Yes, according to many it was through Calvin's leadership that this happened.
But as to Catholic??? Do not know...

What I got from Wiki:
On April 4, 1553 Servetus was arrested by the Roman Catholic authorities, and imprisoned in Vienne. He escaped from prison three days later. On June 17, he was convicted of heresy by the French inquisition, "thanks to the 17 letters sent by Jehan Calvin, preacher in Geneva"[15] and sentenced to be burned with his books. An effigy and his books were burned in his absence.
Meaning to flee to Italy, Servetus stopped in at Geneva, where Calvin and his Reformers had denounced him. On August 13, he attended a sermon by Calvin at Geneva. He was immediately recognized and arrested after the service[16] and was again imprisoned and had all his property confiscated.
Unfortunately for Servetus, at this time Calvin was fighting to maintain his weakening power in Geneva. Calvin's opponents used Servetus as a pretext for attacking the Geneva Reformer's theocratic government, so any mercy would have been taken as a sign of weakness. Also, the French Inquisitors asked that Servetus be extradited to them for execution, and Calvin wanted to show himself as firm in defense of Christian orthodoxy as his usual opponents. "He was forced to push the condemnation of Servetus with all the means at his command."[

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Don't worry Jack, your safe on the other side of my monitor from me.

Just keep your sock and underwear on...

 

[Rick Otto]

Originally Posted by WileyCoyote
So Michael Servetus was murdered by Calvinists.....because he was Catholic?

No, it was because Servitus was ant-trinitarian at least, but that would've been a much better reason I admit.

So how many ant-Protestant Catholics know Servetus had escaped the Inquisition?

On April 4, 1553 Servetus was arrested by the Roman Catholic authorities, and imprisoned in Vienne. He escaped from prison three days later. On June 17, he was convicted of heresy by the French inquisition, "thanks to the 17 letters sent by Jehan Calvin, preacher in Geneva"[15] and sentenced to be burned with his books. An effigy and his books were burned in his absence.

 

[WileyCoyote]

Yes, according to many it was through Calvin's leadership that this happened.
But as to Catholic??? Do not know...

What I got from Wiki:
On April 4, 1553 Servetus was arrested by the Roman Catholic authorities, and imprisoned in Vienne. He escaped from prison three days later. On June 17, he was convicted of heresy by the French inquisition, "thanks to the 17 letters sent by Jehan Calvin, preacher in Geneva"[15] and sentenced to be burned with his books. An effigy and his books were burned in his absence.
Meaning to flee to Italy, Servetus stopped in at Geneva, where Calvin and his Reformers had denounced him. On August 13, he attended a sermon by Calvin at Geneva. He was immediately recognized and arrested after the service[16] and was again imprisoned and had all his property confiscated.
Unfortunately for Servetus, at this time Calvin was fighting to maintain his weakening power in Geneva. Calvin's opponents used Servetus as a pretext for attacking the Geneva Reformer's theocratic government, so any mercy would have been taken as a sign of weakness. Also, the French Inquisitors asked that Servetus be extradited to them for execution, and Calvin wanted to show himself as firm in defense of Christian orthodoxy as his usual opponents. "He was forced to push the condemnation of Servetus with all the means at his command."[

And not only that. I also learned that before Servetus's execution, he was kept in an atrocious dungeon with no light or heat, little food and no sanitary facilities. A wreath strewn with sulfer was placed on his head at the execution site. Green wood was used during the execution because it took longer to burn. It is said that it took over half an hour for Servetus to burn to death. While he was being burned alive, he cried from the midst of the flames "Jesus, Son of the eternal God, have mercy on me."

And John Calvin gave the orders for this to happen.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I know Calvinism is bad but I am surprised anyone is saying it is that bad...

Nah. The Puritans got that beat. They must have picked up some bad doctrines from the Roman Papacy

http://www.apuritansmind.com/MainPage.htm

http://www.apuritansmind.com/ChristianWalk/HateChrist.htm

 

[cygnusx1]

And not only that. I also learned that before Servetus's execution, he was kept in an atrocious dungeon with no light or heat, little food and no sanitary facilities. A wreath strewn with sulfer was placed on his head at the execution site. Green wood was used during the execution because it took longer to burn. It is said that it took over half an hour for Servetus to burn to death. While he was being burned alive, he cried from the midst of the flames "Jesus, Son of the eternal God, have mercy on me."

And John Calvin gave the orders for this to happen.

and Moses , King David and Saint Paul killed men ........... next !

 

[WileyCoyote]

and Moses , King David and Saint Paul killed men ........... next !

No, not next. Unlike Calvin, David, Paul, and Moses REPENTED. Calvin remained unrepentant about his murder until his dying breath.

 

[cygnusx1]

No, not next. Unlike Calvin, David, Paul, and Moses REPENTED. Calvin remained unrepentant about his murder until his dying breath.

as expeted you fail to see what is obvious , Calvin no more needed to repent than Joshua following God's law , Calvin did nothing more than execute the law in Geneva .


Lastly, Calvin was the founder of the greatest of republics. The ‘pilgrims’ who left their country in the reign of James I., and, landing on the barren shores of New England, founded populous and mighty colonies, are his sons, his direct and legitimate sons; and that American nation which we have seen growing so rapidly boasts as its father the humble reformer on the shores of the Leman.
There are indeed, writers of eminence who charge this man of God with despotism; because he was the enemy of libertinage, he has been called the enemy of liberty. Nobody was more opposed than Calvin to that moral and social anarchy which threatened the sixteenth century, and which ruins every epoch unable to keep it under control. This bold struggle of Calvin’s is one of the greatest services he has done to liberty, which has no enemies more dangerous than immorality and disorder.
Should the question be asked, How ought infidelity to be arrested? we must confess that Calvin was not before his age, which was unanimous, in every communion, for the application of the severest punishments. If a man is in error as regards the knowledge of God, it is to God alone that he must render an account. When men — and they are sometimes the best of men — make themselves the avengers of God, the conscience is startled, and religion hides her face. It was not so three centuries back, and the most eminent minds always pay in one manner or another their tribute to human weakness. And yet, on a well-known occasion, when a wretched man, whose doctrines threatened society, stood before the civil tribunals of Geneva, there was but one voice in all Europe raised in favor of the prisoner; but one voice that prayed for some mitigation of Servetus’s punishment, and that voice was Calvin’s. fta4


http://www.apuritanatheart.com/daub-Book1.htm

 

[chestertonrules]

and Moses , King David and Saint Paul killed men ........... next !

Was Larry Norman a Calvinist?