Debate #1: Is Evolution science or not?

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Novanight, you make me . Seriously.

 

[Novaknight1]

Novanight, you make me . Seriously.

Then how come we have no evidence for Evolution? Neandrathal man is used as evidence of apes turning into man, even though we know he was a man with arthritis. Lucy is a pure ape, yet is still being used for Evolution. Evolution's a dud, yet scientists have no other explanation as to why we're here except belief in God.

 

[leccy]

Have you ever seen an ape turn into a person? So how do you know it occured?

As one ape might well have texted to another some millions of years ago.

"Add our son - "r son" - to "ape" and what do you get?"

 

[Novaknight1]

As one ape might well have texted to another some millions of years ago.

"Add our son - "r son" - to "ape" and what do you get?"

Doesn't an ape turning into another ape require an ape to begin with? Where did the first ape come from?

 

[h2whoa]

Then how come we have no evidence for Evolution?

Wrong.

Neandrathal man is used as evidence of apes turning into man

Wrong

even though we know he was a man with arthritis.

Wrong

Lucy is a pure ape,

Wrong

Evolution's a dud,

Wrong

yet scientists have no other explanation as to why we're here except belief in God.

False dilemma, which you know to be incorrect. Evolution and God are not mutually exclusive as well you know. If you seriously don't recall that, then I would go and see a neurologist.

Basically Nova's post could be used to make 100% Pure Wrong Juice, made from Concentrate!! Mmm mmm, fortified with Vitamin Dense.

h2

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

Doesn't an ape turning into another ape require an ape to begin with? Where did the first ape come from?

From the common ancestor with old world monkeys

 

[leccy]

Doesn't an ape turning into another ape require an ape to begin with? Where did the first ape come from?

The first ape came from a pear, by losing the "ar", or possibly a pineapple by splitting off to form a "pine" and an "ape".

 

[Novaknight1]

Nova, evolution follows and has followed every single principle of science, just like any other theory. It is purely based on scientific understanding. If something is found wrong with it, it will be gone or changed. As we speak, there is no evidence against the current theory.

Lol. How about the fact that birds and dinosaurs have COMPLETELY different lungs? Tell that to the fact that dinosaurs and humans OBVIOUSLY lived simultaneously? How about the fact that Evolution only works by changing the meaning? How about the fact that Stephen J. Gould proposed PE? PE would have left no evidence. How about the fact that dinosaurs might still be alive as dinosaurs? I doubt they lived for 60 million years without going extinct. How about the fact that Evolution requires billions of years and we have very few dating methods indicating an old Earth?

 

[Novaknight1]

The first ape came from a pear, by losing the "ar", or possibly a pineapple by splitting off to form a "pine" and an "ape".

Lol. You're using REALLY pathetic science. Would you like a hug to comfort you over the loss of your theory?

 

[Novaknight1]

From the common ancestor with old world monkeys

Old world monkeys?

 

[Novaknight1]

Wrong.



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False dilemma, which you know to be incorrect. Evolution and God are not mutually exclusive as well you know. If you seriously don't recall that, then I would go and see a neurologist.

Basically Nova's post could be used to make 100% Pure Wrong Juice, made from Concentrate!! Mmm mmm, fortified with Vitamin Dense.

h2

Evolution's a religion that says nature is all there is. Evolution is the basis for humanism, communism, naziism, abortion, and so on. Btw, show me ONE good evidence that supports Evolution. Tell me why you believe Lucy's part-man, part-ape.

 

[leccy]

Lol. You're using REALLY pathetic science. Would you like a hug to comfort you over the loss of your theory?

Science?

Nope I was merely parodying by using the sort of ad hoc bizzarro world explanations that are generally proposed in this forum by yourself and some others. That you confuse this with science is all too revealing. You really have no clue whatsoever of what science is or is not, as this thread demonstrates.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Then how come we have no evidence for Evolution? Neandrathal man is used as evidence of apes turning into man, even though we know he was a man with arthritis. Lucy is a pure ape, yet is still being used for Evolution. Evolution's a dud, yet scientists have no other explanation as to why we're here except belief in God.

Herein lies your problem nova, if you would actually take time to listen and understand what others on this board have been saying, you would realize that evolution does not explain why we are here. This is a whole different topic entirely.

As far as evidence for evolution. Much has been presented by many different posters. You have refused to listen, understand, or be honest with yourself.

Evolution is just simply the best explanation for what we observe. Nothing more, nothing less.

It is because of your constant refusal to listen and understand that I say you make me .

 

[leccy]

Evolution's a religion that says nature is all there is. Evolution is the basis for humanism, communism, naziism, abortion, and so on.

Well to select just one of those derivatives of Evolution that you name can you explain how Evolution is the basis for abortion when the latter was widespread and accetable in Roman times some 1900 years before the development of the Theory of Evolution?

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

Neandrathal man is used as evidence of apes turning into man, even though we know he was a man with arthritis.

Why do you repeat claims that have already been addressed several times?

Lucy is a pure ape, yet is still being used for Evolution.

Why do you repeat claims that have already been addressed several times?

Tell that to the fact that dinosaurs and humans OBVIOUSLY lived simultaneously?

Why do you repeat claims that have already been addressed several times?

How about the fact that Evolution requires billions of years and we have very few dating methods indicating an old Earth?

Why do you repeat claims that have already been addressed several times?

By the way, that we can get a date of an old earth, and your admission that this is the case, illustrates that YECism is false. All it takes is one falsifying piece of evidence against a young earth, and by your own admission, we have that.

Furthermore, the methods you are referring to I am sure are those that aren't methods that can be used to date the earth and/or were facts about nature used improperly as methods to date the earth by dishonest professional creationists. However, refutations of those, such as those authored by Ham on AiG's website, have been provided to you in the past. You should not be repeating things that have already been shown false if you want to be taken seriously.

Evolution's a religion that says nature is all there is. Evolution is the basis for humanism, communism, naziism, abortion, and so on.

Why do you make claims like this that you already know are false because people have explained them to you counltess times?

When you make a ridiculous statement like this and your Harry Potter thread, I begin to suspect that you are really a troll disguising yourself as a creationist to make YECists look bad. So fess up, are you really not a YECist? That would explain your constant evasiveness, repeating things we've shown are false by directly addressing them to you, and making bizarre false claims. Just let us know so we know whether or not to waste any more time correcting your repetitious errors.

 

[stone]

sci·ence
n.

1. 1. <LI type=a>The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena. <LI type=a>Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.
   2. Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
2. Methodological activity, discipline, or study: I've got packing a suitcase down to a science.
3. An activity that appears to require study and method: the science of purchasing.
4. Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.
5. Science Christian Science.

 

[stone]

the truth of the discussion is that we will never know the truth if you have to be there to witness creation. satan will temp you to rouse your anger and this is happening all over the world today. we will have to have faith, but why are things getting worse... god is here. proof is comeing... i just hope all the people can get along, but it may be too late.

 

[stone]

well... i have to go now, one last note. Yesterday, my path took me to San Antonio, where i had a complex question. The answer was prayer. Which i did, and what i saw from there was scary, for all mankind. I have lots of work to do but will try and stop by this forum again in the future sometime, gotta go and god bless you all.

 

[gluadys]

I looked up a few sites as you suggested however I think the explanations were rather flimsy. It would seem to me that long before a limb could even approximate a wing to allow flight or gliding, any usefulness/dexterity as an arm would have long disappeared - so why would natural selection favour a limb that was neither a functioning wing nor a useful arm/claw??

In pursuit of truth.
Geoff

You are forgetting that birds had useful claws on their wings even after they developed powered flight. Some birds still have vestigial wing claws.

 

[gluadys]

If Evolution's science, why did Stephen J. Gould propose punctuated equilibrium which says there isn't going to be any evidence?

Yuo have never actually read Gould's own publications, have you?