Death

[yeshuasavedme]

In the O.T., they did not go directly to heaven,
but waited in paradise,
for the passion week events to secure
their ability to stand face to face
with God, and be in heaven...​

Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

All souls waited in Sheol below, separated from the body of flesh, for their appointed time, as Enoch showed and as Jesus confirmed in Luke 16,. Even Abraham was in Sheol below, waiting for the Atonement, exactly as Enoch wrote about, in the separated place of the righteous with "refreshing breezes and bright springs of water".

When Jesus fulfilled the Atonement which was accepted, the souls waiting below were then cleansed in souls, perfected in spirit, and released from the captivity of the first death of separation from the presence of the Glory in Eden above -in Zion of the heavenlies.

Jesus led captivity captive at His acceptable Day of Atonement, and emptied Sheol of all the righteous souls held in the first death there, and they ascended into Paradise, heaven above, which is Eden.

Paradise has always been in heaven of the "outstretched breadth of the earth". Paul went there, when left as dead, and called it the third heaven.
Eden means the same as Paradise in Hebrew. That was where Adam got cast down from at the fall. That is what Jesus buys us back to give us in His New Man name, by His atonement.
Eden is not and was not in hell below.

 

[murjahel]

There is in the Christian faith,
a certainty of knowing that someday...
i.e. resurrection/ rapture day...
our body will be revived to new life...
and we will have an eternal body...
like unto the Lord's body after His resurrection...​

Romans 8:22-23 NKJV
22. For we know that the whole creation groans
and labors with birth pangs
together until now.
23. Not only that,
but we also who have
the firstfruits of the Spirit,
even we ourselves groan within ourselves,
eagerly waiting for the adoption,
the redemption of our body.
​

​

Till our own death or until resurrection day,
we must "eagerly" await
reunion with the Lord ...

Saints walk streets of gold,
talk with the saints of old,
and we walk streets of asphalt and cement...
talking in faith, in hope,
eagerly longing to be
in heaven...

The Lord desires for us to "eagerly"
await the day we depart to be with Jesus...

St. Paul sat in a lonely cell
writing his last letter to Timothy
before they came to take him to his execution...

Shortly before his beheading,
Paul the apostle wrote:​

2 Timothy 4:6-8 NKJV
6. For I am already being poured out
as a drink offering,
and the time of my departure is at hand.
7. I have fought the good fight,
I have finished the race,
I have kept the faith.
8. Finally, there is laid up for me
the crown of righteousness,
which the Lord, the righteous Judge,
will give to me on that Day,
and not to me only but also to all
who have loved His appearing.
​

When someone down here on earth
finishes a race as the winner,
we applaud, we joy for them...

When your favorite team wins its football game,
we cheer... and applaud...

Someday, we finish our race,
having run a good race,
having finished the course,
and finally be in the presence of Jesus
receiving reward.

That is 'death' for the siant of God...
it is not a dreadful thing,
not something to fear or fight...

we stay here, while we have work to do...
when the work is done,
when the Lord calls us home....
we need to be anxious to see Him... ​

 

[murjahel]

John 11:25
"Jesus said unto her,
I am the Resurrection and the Life..."​

Does Jesus have resurrection power and life for us?​

We tend to say ‘Yes’... but that is not what He said here...

What He said, is not that
‘I have resurrection and life’..

But He said..
"I am the Resurrection and the Life’

it is what He is, not just what He does....
"I am" shows us that He is resurrection and life... personified...

Jesus said..
"I am’ so often...
in fact it is the meaning of Jah...
one of His names...
It is part of Jehovah, which literally means
"I am, I was, I will be"...

So much of the word... "I"...
Yet, He is divine...
and "I am" is a divine name...

When Moses asked by what name should he go
and release Israel from bondage...

The Lord told Him that the "I Am"
had sent him...

Jesus is telling Martha, in the above verse.....
That resurrection and life, is not merely of divine origin...
But it is the divine nature...

"I am the Resurrection and the Life"
is said in most funeral services...

And it is not just a claim to Jesus having that power....

But that He is Resurrection and Life...

Mary and Martha came to realize something more of Jesus in this episode...

Both said..
"if You had been here,
Lazarus would not have died..."

So they knew that Jesus had healing power...

But Jesus says,
no... I am more...
"I am RESURRECTION and LIFE"

Lazarus was ‘sick unto death’ when they sent for Jesus....
But Jesus delayed purposely...
and by the time Jesus arrived from the trip
that should have just been hours...
it was four days after Lazarus’ death...

Jesus knew beforehand what had happened
(John 11:14)..
It was a sorrowful meeting for Mary and Martha...
For their hopes were faded, following the death..

They had faith enough that Jesus could have
handled it, had He arrived before death...

But death to them was greater than Jesus...

When Jesus told Martha,
that He is Resurrection and Life...
She expressed a belief
in the resurrection of the last day...

(John 6:39, 44-45)

Martha said that perhaps God would
do the miracle of resurrection
if Jesus prayed...

But Jesus said...
I AM THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE...

Resurrection is more than a tenet of our faith...

It is a fact... and better than that...
it is a Person...

Jesus did not say...
"I raise the dead..."
Though He did at times raise the dead..
(Luke 7:12-14, 8:49-50)

but He said..
"I AM... resurrection and life"

Man becomes immortal, when
he comes into union with this Jesus...

Jesus in not just ‘resurrection’ for
resurrection pre-supposes death...
Before one can be resurrected, one must die...

But Jesus said, also, that "I am ... LIFE"

Once we come into Jesus...
And He abides in us...
We already have eternal life....
Our spirit will live forever...​

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Jesus' resurrected body changed...​

No it did not.

His "come in flesh" second creation human being body is the True Mercy Seat, typed by Moses as solid, incorruptible ,gold, and it is forever the same body that He is come incarnate in, and is the Head of the New Man race in, which was typed in the Living Oracles as the solid gold Mercy Seat upon which, and before which, the blood of Atonement was sprinkled, in rehearsal for His Day, prepared from the foundation of the world.
It is the same garment of flesh put on by Him [as Isaiah 59 declares], which was prepared for Him in the womb, to come incarnate in, that He is returning in, as Revelation 19 declares, when it states that He is wearing the garment immersed in blood when He returns as "The Word of God".
His New Man body of human being flesh is the same body of flesh that Adam was made as the very image of God in, bodily, before the fall, as Genesis 1:26-28 first states, when it declares that Adam is made in the single image of YHWH Elohym, and as Paul also wrote in Romans 5:14, when he states that Adam was the very "tupos" of the body of Jesus Christ, who was to come [and is come].

Jesus came to ransom us back as a whole man: spirit, body, and soul, for the Glory.




He received the Glory, but His body was the same garment prepared for Him as that "New Thing in the earth", when a woman compassed a "Geber", as JEremiah prophesied.

 

[Mikecpking]

There is no such thing as an immortal soul and the bible does not teach that an immaterial soul is outside a flesh body.

Were are told by Jesus we will hear his voice at his coming and come out of our graves on the last day

John 5:28

Here is a nice summary of the truth regarding deatha dn the resurrection we hope for.

YouTube - State of the Dead - First response to OneTrueChurch (2A)

 

[murjahel]

Jesus left His omnipresent, omnipotent,
body to become a human body...
still divine, but having left the divine body​

His new body is eternal, and He is restored to His
omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence... now​

His resurrected body no longer was bound by
the human elements that make up our mortal bodies..​

Christ Jesus is shown to be superior
to angels in the book of Hebrews.​

Though some have tried to lower Jesus
to the level of an angel,
He is definitely shown to be superior to angels.​

Jesus has a more excellent name -
(Hebrews 1:4)
Jesus is alone "the Son",
though men and angels are called "sons of God". - (Hebrews 1:5)
Only Christ is to be worshipped,
never is an angel to be worshipped
(Hebrews 1:6).
Only Christ Jesus is called God
(Hebrews 1:7-8).​

This Jesus is the Creator of the heavens
and the earth
(Hebrews 1:10).
The Son is seated at the right hand of God
(Hebrews 1:13).​

Never does the Scripture say that the Son
was "made".
Rather, it says that the pre-existent Son was
"made flesh."
He was already existent before that occurrence.
He was already present in the beginning of time.​

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word..."​

Jesus is called the "first born",
for He came to earth
and was born into this world,
so that we may now be "born again."
So He was the "firstborn" of the church. ​

Jesus is eternal,
and has always existed. ​

He chose to be born into humanity at a point in history,
but that does not make Him to be a created being.​

He is the Creator,
Who became part of the creation
at a point in time,
so that He might take our place at the cross.​

Micah 5:2
"Whose goings forth,
have been from old, from everlasting."​

Jesus is equal with God the Father.
He was conscious of this equality.​

Philippians 2:6
"Who being in the form of God,
thought it not robbery to be equal with God..."​

The Son is the Mediator
between mankind and God.​

I Timothy 2:5
"For there is one God,
and one Mediator between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus."​

In this role as the Mediator,
Jesus has made Himself to be subject unto the Father. ​

This subjection is only connected with His role as Mediator.
He is still divine, and equal in attributes
and power with both
God the Father and the Holy Spirit.​

His divine nature is still the same.
Just as Jesus placed Himself willingly
under Mary and Joseph while a child,
so Jesus has now placed Himself
subject, in office-
though still equal in Person, -
to God the Father is His role as Mediator for us.​

The Lord Jesus has sent back to us from heaven,
the Holy Spirit
to be the One Who is to direct
and empower us in our daily battles
against the devil and his cohorts.​

 

[Simon_Templar]

I think its a mistake to take the statement "it is appointed unto man once to die..." as an absolute stricture. It can very easily mean that is simply the general nature which is appointed to humanity, but in individual cases there could be exceptions.

 

[murjahel]

I Corinthians 15:12-19
"...if Christ be not risen,
then our preaching is vain
and your faith is also vain...
Ye are yet in your sins...
then they which are fallen asleep
in Christ are perished.
If in this life only we have hope,
we are of all men most miserable."​

So... the fact of Jesus’ resurrection, gives us
hope, joy, expectancy and faith.​

We can be assured that we will be
resurrected or raptured,
due to the fact of His resurrection.​

Many religions point to the tomb of their dead founder... ​

We, in Christianity, cannot...
for the tomb is empty... the Savior Lives...
Hallelujah!!!​

Soldiers in that time were bribed to circulate
the lie that the disciples
had stolen away the body.​

Some say that Jesus only fainted
and later revived.​

But Mankind has faced the empty tomb,
and it has been impossible to explain away...​

And those who have challenged it,
with arguments that would not stand up
in the court of common reason...
will someday face the risen Lord on judgment day...​

WHY IS THE RESURRECTION of JESUS,
SO IMPORTANT TO US FACING DEATH???​

First, the resurrection proves Christianity.
When the Pharisees asked for a sign,
Jesus told them,
that the only sign that they would be given,
was His death and resurrection,
and He would be as Jonah
in the belly of the whale.
(Matthew 12:38-42).​

When asked with what authority He drove the
money-changers from the Temple, He said:
"Destroy this Temple,
and I will raise it up in three days."
(John 2:19)​

Paul said that Christ proved Himself
to be the Son of God by His resurrection.​

Romans 1:4
"And declared to be the Son of God
with power,
according to the Spirit of holiness
by the resurrection of the dead."​

Secondly,
the resurrection proves there is a coming judgment.

Acts 17:31
"Because He hath appointed a day,
in the which He will judge the world in righteousness,
by that Man Whom He ordained,
whereof He hath given assurance unto all men
in that He hath raised Him from the dead."​

The fact that God has raised Jesus from the dead,
proves there will someday be a judgment day...​

Today’s risen Savior is tomorrow’s judge...
John 5:22
"For the Father judgeth no man,
but hath committed all judgment unto the Son."​

Thirdly, the resurrection proves there has been
an adequate Sacrifice made for sin.​

Romans 4:25
"Who was delivered for our offenses,
and was raised again for our justification."​

The resurrection proves that Jesus was righteous,
without sin, and can therefore
have died for our sins, not His own.​

We can share in His righteousness now.​

Romans 4:22-24
"And therefore it was imputed to Him
for righteousness.
Now it was not written for His sake alone,
that it was imputed to Him;
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed,
if we believe on Him Who raised up Jesus
our Lord from the dead."​

Fourthly, the resurrection proves Christ’s intercession. ​

Christ rose to make intercession for us.
His earthly work of His first coming was done,
and He had to be resurrected
to carry on the next part of His work.​

Romans 8:34
"It is Christ that died,
rather that is risen again,
Who is even at the right hand of the Father,
Who also maketh intercession for us."​

Hebrews 7:25
"He ever liveth to make intercession for them."​

Fifthly, the resurrection proves a resurrection
is coming for believers. Christ’s resurrection guarantees ours.​

I Thessalonians 4:14
"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
even so them also who sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him."​

The dead in Christ, go to heaven when they die...
but their bodies are put into the ground.
Just as Jesus told the thief on the cross,
that the same day,
they would be together in paradise,
yet their bodies were not together,
but still in tombs of the earth,
but their spirits were in paradise together...​

So, the dead in Christ, are with the Lord,
but their bodies await a resurrection,
in which they will be transformed
into a glorified, eternal body...​

This resurrection will occur at the same time
as the rapture of the church....​

The Lord will be coming to the clouds to call
the saints bodies to rise,
to escape (harpadzo) from the harms
of God’s wrath about to fall upon the earth.​

The saints’ spirits will be with the Lord when He comes...​

"will God bring with Him."​

But their bodies will rise first,
a microsecond before the rapture...​

Then we who are alive and remain at that time,
will be raptured to the clouds...
to begin our eternity of being with Jesus....​

II Corinthians 4:14
"Knowing that
He Who raised up the Lord Jesus,
shall raise up us also, by Jesus,
and shall present us with you."​

 

[tturt]

While studying about our spirit, soul, and body, I remembered these Scriptures from Matt 27
51"And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

Wonder how many graves opened? Why "many bodies" instead of all? Wonder how long they had been buried?

 

[murjahel]

TO EXPLAIN THAT VS,

The seventy disciples were not present at the last supper,
but as they came into Jerusalem in the following few days,
preaching as they had been in the other cities,
they met the resistance that the devil had built up against Jesus...


Matthew 24:34-35, 39
"Wherefore, behold,
I send unto you prophets and wise men and scribes
and some of them ye shall kill and crucify;
some of them ye shall scourge in your synagogues
and persecute them from city to city,
that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth from
the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zecharias, son of Barachias,
who ye slew between the Temple and the altar...
Ye shall not see Me henceforth, till you shall say:
Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord..."​

Jesus had warned that some who would ‘come’
in the ‘name of the Lord’ would be
killed, crucified, scourged...​

And the ones sent were the 70...
And near the time of the crucifixion of Jesus,
many of these 70 were suffering
greatly... some dying...​

Why were the 70 not at the last supper?
Why were they not at the cross?​

The 70 were just coming to Jerusalem,
having done their job elsewhere,
when the plot against Jesus was at fruition...​

Jesus had told the 12 of the crucifixion
and His own death,
but Jesus had told the 70
of some of them being put to death...​

Remember, Luke was writing mostly
of what Jesus had told the 70...
And look at what Jesus said to them in Luke 21.​

Luke 21:12-19
"But before all these (the signs of the end times),
they shall lay hands on you (not someone else, later),
and persecute you,...
Shall turn to you for a testimony...
...ye shall be betrayed both
by parents and brethren and kinsfolks,
and friends, and some you shall they
cause to be put to death...
...Ye shall be hated of all men for My name’s sake...
But there shall not an hair on your head perish.
In your patience, possess ye your souls."​

Luke, himself, and Cleopas, were not killed,
but were found by Jesus walking to Emmaus,
after they heard that Jesus was resurrected.​

They were resuming their mission of telling about Jesus...
Announcing Jesus, ...
and therefore Jesus pays them the first post-resurrection visit,
to give their message even more ‘fire’... ​

The two had not seen the risen Lord yet,
yet they had dedication and zeal to continue
what Jesus had told them to do...​

They were discussing the events of the week,
but they were zealous to obey the Lord,
that now the women had told them was risen...​

Remember, Luke 21...
".some you shall they cause to be put to death...
...Ye shall be hated of all men for My name’s sake...
But there shall not an hair on your head perish.
In your patience, possess ye your souls."​

How could they be put to death,
and ‘not an hair on your head perish"?​

How can both be true?​

The word "perish’ is apolumi, meaning
‘be destroyed fully, die’​

So if they would be ‘put to death’ and yet not ‘die’..
We have confusion...
"In your patience, possess ye your souls..."​

‘Patience" is the word hupomone, meaning ‘patient waiting’...
And "possess" is ktaomai, meaning ‘to acquire, to get, to gain"​

So Jesus was promising the 70 that they
would suffer , and some even die...
But the death would not be permanent,
and after a short wait, they would regain their lives,
and thereby truly have not "an hair perish".​

Literally, it means,
"after a short wait, ye shall regain your lives..."​

Luke 17:33
"Whosoever shall seek to save his life
shall lose it;
and whosoever shall lose his life
shall preserve it."​

In allowing themselves to be in jeopardy for their own lives,
in taking the gospel message out despite
the forewarned dangers,
the 70 were a bit ahead of the 12...​

The 12, after Pentecost, would be that brave...​

But the 70 were already able to go out
before some who would try
(and partially achieve) to kill them...​

But... remember...
The Lord had said...
‘not an hair would perish’​

Matthew 27:52-53
"And the graves (Greek = mnema = sepulchres)
were opened;
and many bodies
(Greek = soma = the body, as a sound whole)
of the saints
which slept
(Greek = koimao = to be dead,
put to sleep in death)
arose (Greek = egeiro =
arouse from sleep,
as was Lazarus, to new human life,
not to a glorified body).
And came out of the graves
after His resurrection
(Greek, egersin, a resurgence from death,
only here in N.T.)
And went into the holy city,
and appeared
(Greek = emphanizo = declared,
showed themselves openly, manifested openly)
unto many."​

(For further study on this see
Vide Evang. Nicod. c.17
Acts of Pilate in Thilo’s Codex
Apocryphus N.T. p.810​

and in
Ign.Mag9.2
{in which, we learn that they were ‘disciples’
who were patiently awaiting for the Lord
to allow them to possess their souls})​

The resurrection of some here,
differed from Jesus resurrection,
in that these were
recently killed saints, resurrected,
as was Lazarus,
not to a glorified body, eternal...​

No...
these were resurrected as was Lazarus
(who lived and preached 30 years more),
or as the young girl, who Jesus said,
was just asleep...​

I, for many years, had assumed that these
‘saints’ were ones like Abraham, Moses, etc...
But those saints had been long dead,
and their bodies decayed, dust, etc.​

the Greek wording here, indicates these were
‘freshly’ killed saints,
and the early church records indicate the same...​

This was not dust becoming a glorified body,
this was a body, lacking life for a time,
being restored to wellness,
but still mortal, able to be killed later...​

 

[tturt]

Thanks Murjahel. I appreciate that.

You know that verse about not seeking to communicate with people who have died - I can't remember the wording enough to look it up. Do you know it?

 

[murjahel]

Thanks Murjahel. I appreciate that.

You know that verse about not seeking to communicate with people who have died - I can't remember the wording enough to look it up. Do you know it?

people who have died,
have gone to heaven or hell...

they are there,
and so when someone tries to communicate
with a 'departed'...
if there is an answer, it is likely
a demonic being imitating that person...

that is why when Saul went to the witch
at Endor to communicate if he could with Samuel,
we find that God judged him for that,
Saul died the next day in judgment...

we don't talk to demons, even
if they want to do an impersonation of a
departed loved one...

Moses came back to talk to Jesus,
but that was the real Moses,
and not a demon...

when it is wrong is when we are allowing
ourselves to be duped by demons...​

 

[tturt]

Oh I agree that we shouldn't try to contact the departed but if Yahweh decides for it to happen - it's definitely His decision like when Peter saw Moses and Elijah.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Oh I agree that we shouldn't try to contact the departed but if Yahweh decides for it to happen - it's definitely His decision like when Peter saw Moses and Elijah.

But consider:
Moses was not departed, he was very much alive in his own body, and God forbids contact with the dead, as you know. Jesus would not have been speaking with Moses for any reason to do with anything on earth, if Moses was dead.
Moses and Elijah were standing there speaking with Jesus about His upcoming death in Jerusalem, and they witnessed His transfiguration to Glory.
Moses and Elijah witnessed Jesus, as Christ come in flesh, and spoke with Him about His upcoming death in Jerusalem, so that when they return to preach Jesus Christ, in the streets of Jerusalem, they will preach Him as firsthand witnesses.

The Transfiguration

28 About eight days after Jesus said this, he took Peter, John and James with him and went up onto a mountain to pray. 29 As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning. 30 Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. 31 They spoke about his departure,[a] which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem. 32 Peter and his companions were very sleepy, but when they became fully awake, they saw his glory and the two men standing with him. 33

Peter. James and John were witnesses of His Glory at the transfiguration, also, as Moses and Elijah were.


Here's a record of what John said about that:
Jhn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth....
1Jo 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen [it], and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us...

Here's a record of what Peter said about that transfiguration:
2Pe 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2Pe 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.


So, how could it be any but Moses and Elijah who were two more witnesses of His coming in flesh and of His transfiguration to Glory on the mount, who will tell it to Israel in the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half years, in the beginning of the seven year tribulation?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

While studying about our spirit, soul, and body, I remembered these Scriptures from Matt 27
51"And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

Wonder how many graves opened? Why "many bodies" instead of all? Wonder how long they had been buried?

The saints whom Jesus "gathered" for fulfilling the Feast of First of Firstfruits, which was to be done on the first, first day of the week after Passover, were His choice, and the number was typed in the Living Oracles, in that a certain amount of the first of Firstfruits were to be gathered as the sun went down on the Sabbath, on the first, first day of the week after Passover. The gathered saints were, with Jesus, a wave offering before the LORD of Glory in the heavenly temple, mid-morning, on that First of Firstfruits Feast Day.

Jesus fulfilled that Living Oracle which was rehearsed every year in Jerusalem, by the priests in the temple. Because Jesus had to ascend mid-morning to the heavenly temple on that day, with Himself and those gathered with Him at His resurrection as the First of Firstfruits wave offering, so as to offer them there as the High Priest of earth, He told Mary not to touch Him, for He was not yet ascended to the Father. He was going as High Priest of earth, into the heavenly temple, with the "Wave offering" of Pentecost, the gathered resurrected saints, to offer before the Glory above, with Himself as High Priest and Firstfruits, Himself.

 

[tturt]

Why do you think that Mary couldn't touch Him while Thomas was told to touch Him?

 

[murjahel]

Why do you think that Mary couldn't touch Him while Thomas was told to touch Him?

In between those two meetings,
Jesus had 'ascended' to the mercy
seat in heaven...
the mercy seat is a 'type' of Jesus,
gold, representing deity,
and
covering the tables of law inside
the ark...
and for God to look at the law,
God would look through the mercy
seat, which was to be sprinkled with
the blood of Jesus (as the High Priest
did every day of atonement)...

Jesus literally did that,
as the High Priest had done in type...

the High Priest on the day of atonement
had to be pure of all sin,
washed literally, repentant of all sins,..

Jesus told Mary not to touch Him,
for He had not yet ascended to
sprinkle His blood on the mercy seat...

later, He had completed that task,
so He told them to 'touch Him'
and see that the nailprints were real...

what the High Priest did every year,
with the blood of the lamb,
on the day of celebrating an atonement
to come, Jesus did literally,
as the Lamb of God... with His literal
blood that He had shed for our sins...
​

 

[murjahel]

I Corinthians 15:51-52
"BEHOLD, I SHOW YOU A MYSTERY,
WE SHALL NOT ALL SLEEP,
BUT WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED.
IN A MOMENT,
IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE,
AT THE LAST TRUMP–
FOR THE TRUMP SHALL SOUND
(Rev. 4:1, I Thess. 4:15-17)
AND THE DEAD SHALL BE RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE,
AND WE SHALL BE CHANGED..."​

The word for ‘sleep’ is not the common word for ‘die’. ​

It is ‘koima’ meaning to be laid out,
figuratively used of death,
sometimes used of normal sleep. ​

The real word for die is ‘apothnesko’,
and is used far more often,
even in this chapter of I Corinthians 15.​

What is ‘sleep’ (koima) saying here? ​

First, realize this is the same word
as Jesus used for Lazarus in John 11:11.
It is the same word used
for the saints who had in the last few days died,
but were resurrected when Jesus was
(Matthew 27:52). ​

It is the same word that refers to Peter
falling asleep between two soldiers
on the night Jesus was tried,
and the night Peter denied Jesus three times.​

It speaks of death sometimes,
but is referring to the kind of ‘laying out’
in which death can still be cancelled,
as in the case of Lazarus,
and the saints of Matthew 27. ​

Peter even was spiritually dead
during that sleep, he had lost faith...
but was resurrected spiritually shortly after.​

Paul, in I Corinthians 15,
is saying that not all the saints
of the last days will have died,
not all are ‘laid out in the process of death’,
when the rapture occurs. ​

Yet, we shall all (i.e. the ones dead,
the ones still alive) be ‘changed’. ​

‘Changed’ is the Greek word ‘allasso’,
which means ‘made different’. ​

Death and resurrection makes
the mortal body die,
and become from the atoms
that made it up,
into a new immortal body. ​

The rapture, likewise,
makes the mortal die and end,
and the atoms that made it up
to become an immortal, eternal body. ​

The change is different in time,
but the same in effect. ​

For those raptured,
it happens in a split second. ​

For those whose mortal body ceased living,
the body was laid out,
and a slow process of becoming dust began. ​

The result is the same,
_’it is appointed unto man once to die,
and after that the judgment...’
(Hebrews 9:27).
That word is ‘apothnesko’ meaning
the final stage of death
and ending of the mortal person. ​

Still this agrees with I Corinthians 15:51,
for we shall not all be
‘laid out and enter the slow process of decaying’,
but we shall all come to the ceasing
to exist of the mortal body,
and get our immortal body.​

For the raptured, this happens quickly...
very quickly.​

We shall all end, whether by death and resurrection,
or by rapture, have the mortal body come to an end,
and the immortal body shall replace it. ​

The wicked get an immortal body too,
at the second resurrection,
and theirs goes to the lake of fire. ​

The saints get their new body at the time
of the resurrection/rapture. ​

Jesus was the ‘firstfruits’ of this resurrection.
(I Corinthians 15:20). ​

So, none were given their immortal body
by resurrection or by rapture prior to Jesus. ​

We all, including Paul the apostle,
wait for ‘that day’ of resurrection. ​

Enoch did not get an immortal body at his rapture,
nor did Elijah get one.
They both were raptured in mortal bodies,
which shall soon die during the tribulation.
Then, three and a half days later,
they shall be resurrected, and raptured.
Theirs will be slower than ours, on purpose,
for God wants the world to watch that one happen.
LOL​

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Why do you think that Mary couldn't touch Him while Thomas was told to touch Him?

His High Priestly duties of ascending to the throne in the heavens and offering the wave offering, mid-morning, on the Feast of First of Firstfruits was completed, as was typed in the Law, and He had come out of the temple and was then free to mingle with the masses.
This is according to the Law, which is called the Living Oracles, in the Word, to teach us about the Person and work of Christ who was to come and is come, in flesh.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

what the High Priest did every year,
with the blood of the lamb,
on the day of celebrating an atonement
to come, Jesus did literally,
as the Lamb of God... with His literal
blood that He had shed for our sins...
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Jesus body is the true Mercy Seat which was typed in the Law as solid gold, incorruptible, and the blood of sprinkling was offered once, while His body hung on the cross, for all, and is finished in heaven and in earth, for our redemption.
The High Priest also sprinkled the blood on the ground in front of the altar, to signify the ransom of the earth by that blood, which was to come. When the body of Jesus was pierced with the spear and the blood and water came out and flowed to the ground, that was fulfilling the payment for the ransom of earth.

Because the True Mercy Seat is the New Man "prepared body" for Christ to come incarnate in,
and because He is in it forever,
as the Firstborn/the Everlasting Father, of the New Man race [Isaiah 9:6]
and because He is, in that New Man name, [the New Man name is Israel, as second Man, not Adam [ Isa 49:1-13] the Everlasting Father of the adopted sons, who adopts us into His Living Spirit and New Man name [the adoption is second birth, promised by Oracles to Abraham in the name change, and to Jacob by the invoking of that formerly secret name [secret until its revealing, to the elect, as Enoch said]
-which adoption is made possible by the Atonement which was planned before the foundation of the world-

And because He promised to never leave us "orphans/orphannos" [comfortless] [John 14:18]

Then when He ascended to the temple in heaven, He ascended to fulfill the Oracle of First of Firstfruits, not to spill any more blood there in heaven, because He had finished the Atonement, and it was the Day of Salvation which God had made from the foundation of the world, in which Day, "our God" was bound to the "horns" of the "altar of sacrifice" [the cross], and became our Salvation/Yeshua, once, for all.

When the earthquake came, the walls of partition were broken down that Moses typed, in heaven, and so, Jesus could take the resurrected in body saints to heaven's throne, and offer them there, to fulfill the "wave offering" of the gathered firstfruits for that Day's feast celebration.

The Atonement was finished/completed, on earth, and for that reason, Jesus could approach the throne in heaven, bringing the sheaves with Him, whom He had gathered to bring, so as to fulfill First of Firstfruits.




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