Death Penalty

[PACKY]

So what are your thoughts? Should we as Christians support this?
Should we as Christians work to stop this?
why?

 

[Girder of Loins]

Government has been given the power of the sword. Capital punishment is not evil, but I would never support it out of personal conviction. I wanted to be a Marine ever since I was little, but now I am a pacifist(towards humans). I still fully support my country's military(render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's), but out of personal conviction, I cannot do it. So I would vote against capital punishment. But as I said before, this is not because it is wrong for government to use, but because it is wrong for me to use.

 

[GenetoJean]

I am against it. As long as there is a .00000001% chance that an innocent person can be executed, no one should be executed. I think it is a subject that Christians can be for either side though.

 

[PACKY]

give unto ceaser does not mean to kill people at the hands of the state... give unto ceaser was based on paying taxes.

If God ( who is infallible ) says that vengence alone is his....then why do we as fallible humans feel we can take vengence upon others?

are the laws of man more powerful then the laws of god?

"Thou shalt not kill" are we allowed to make the ten commandments ala carte when it comes to the death penalty..we can pick and choose when this commandment counts and when it doesnt?

When we are taught that we are to love the sinner but hate the sin, we should work at killing the sin not the sinner.

 

[Girder of Loins]

When Israel first wanted a king, the Lord transferred His powers to government when it comes to direct ruling. Notice how when Israel's king serves the Lord, they are blessed. But when they do not, they are left in the cold or handed over to foreign nations.

Onto the "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's." In countries like Switzerland and South Korea, you are required to be in the military. There are very few exceptions, and religious reasons rarely hold much weight. Therefore, you are rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. And if it is morally acceptable in this case, than it is morally acceptable in another case. I do not like situational ethics, and it does not belong in the base of Christianity.

Therefore, the government has the power to judge its people. I agree with you that we should work on destroying the death penalty, but I won't call it inherently "evil". It is okay for the government to flex its muscle in this way, but it is not the best option. There are much better options for punishment than capital punishment.

 

[HalupkiMonster]

I am only 18, so I haven't got a strong opinion on this either way.

Having a father who works in the prison system, I know that there are some people who just want to watch people cry and houses burn at their hands. Some of these people will never change, so I understand the need to expel them from society, and many times our prison systems become so crowded that death seems like the best option. It also ensures that they'll never be able to hurt anyone again.

On the other hand, the research I have done has taught me that most inmates put on "death row" aren't executed by the system, and that keeping them in special housing and giving them special treatment within the prison because they're sentenced to death costs thousands more than caring for those inmates who serve life sentences. This is why I am not in favor of the death penalty, and in favor of life sentences.

 

[sdburtis]

I am 100% against the death penalty. I believe the doctrine of an eye for an eye went out the window when the New Testament (Christ's sacrifice) replace the old law. The death penalty is not an effective deterrent for criminals, and it is not cost effective for our justice system. Furthermore, I believe it sends the wrong message - killing people is wrong, but it's perfectly ok if the government says so. The governement has no right to play God. The Bible says render unto Caesar what is his - human lives do not belong to Caesar.

 

[OGM]

I am against the death penalty. Over the last 10 years so many people have been exonerated that we know the foundation is rotten. Also it seems like a double standard when a government can execute a person while a smaller group or individual can't. Plus I could never execute someone merely based on another person's "orders."

 

[Kylor]

I've been to jail for a year, and honestly, death penalty > even one month in jail. And when you get out of jail you won't find a job, I'm on disability and my life is crap. Death penalty is better for everyone the way I see it. Needless to say I don't plan on living much longer.

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[dogs4thewin]

I do not do the death penalty due to the fact that people can be killed that did nothing. Plus life with no parole is cheaper and because of the special treatment "life in prison moght be a worse punishment.

 

[Kylor]

I do not do the death penalty due to the fact that people can be killed that did nothing. Plus life with no parole is cheaper and because of the special treatment "life in prison moght be a worse punishment.

Your a monster - lets lock you up for a week and see how you like it.

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[dogs4thewin]

Your a monster - lets lock you up for a week and see how you like it.

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Do what?

 

[BurningKnight]

I am totally against the death penalty. It, in my eyes, is murder, and people who carry out executions will have a lot to answer when they are being judged by God.

 

[Lilly Owl]

Killing a murderer is justice. They had no respect for life they should have to pay with their life. And if they're innocent even if it's discovered after they're dead, those involved in that execution of an innocent person should be tried for manslaughter and imprisoned for life without parole.

I'm watching a web feed of the Jodi Arias trial now in Arizona. She's a Mormon woman who claimed she murdered her victim in self defense. She faces the death penalty as she should. She killed her victim/boyfriend three times over!
Stabbed 29 times. Slit his throat ear to ear so deep that it nearly grazed the cervical vertebra. And then she shot him in the forehead.
She dragged his body to the shower after she'd engaged in a marathon all day sexcapade with him and 90 seconds later butchered the man! Then she let him decompose for days till concerned friends gained access into his apartment and found what was left.
Allegedly!
Though she admits she did it. Why? In self defense! Because after all a guy stabbed 29 times can still pose a threat. Cut his throat! Still poses a threat! Shoot him in the forehead! Wow, threat is neutralized.
Oh good. Now she's safe!

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In her case if she's found guilty she should be executed immediately.
She admitted she did this! There's no defense here. No man keeps coming after 29 stab wounds, or his throat being slit.
There are evil people in this world. They don't think innocent people should live so given they think like that they should be ready to die like that.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Killing a murderer is justice. They had no respect for life they should have to pay with their life. And if they're innocent even if it's discovered after they're dead, those involved in that execution of an innocent person should be tried for manslaughter and imprisoned for life without parole.

I'm watching a web feed of the Jodi Arias trial now in Arizona. She's a Mormon woman who claimed she murdered her victim in self defense. She faces the death penalty as she should. She killed her victim/boyfriend three times over!
Stabbed 29 times. Slit his throat ear to ear so deep that it nearly grazed the cervical vertebra. And then she shot him in the forehead.
She dragged his body to the shower after she'd engaged in a marathon all day sexcapade with him and 90 seconds later butchered the man! Then she let him decompose for days till concerned friends gained access into his apartment and found what was left.
Allegedly!
Though she admits she did it. Why? In self defense! Because after all a guy stabbed 29 times can still pose a threat. Cut his throat! Still poses a threat! Shoot him in the forehead! Wow, threat is neutralized.
Oh good. Now she's safe!

Trial Link

In her case if she's found guilty she should be executed immediately.
She admitted she did this! There's no defense here. No man keeps coming after 29 stab wounds, or his throat being slit.
There are evil people in this world. They don't think innocent people should live so given they think like that they should be ready to die like that.

Trouble is why should the people pay for the "crime" they were told to commit by the government when all parties thought they were killing someone that deserved it?

 

[Lilly Owl]

I am totally against the death penalty. It, in my eyes, is murder, and people who carry out executions will have a lot to answer when they are being judged by God.

How could God judge those who exact justice against murderers by taking their life?

Genesis 9:5-6 “Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning…Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man.”


Exodus 21:12-16 “Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death. 13 But if he did not lie in wait for him, but God let him fall into his hand, then I will appoint for you a place to which he may flee. 14 But if a man willfully attacks another to kill him by cunning, you shall take him from my altar, that he may die.15 “Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death.16 “Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.


Romans 13:1-4
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities… For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

 

[Lilly Owl]

Trouble is why should the people pay for the "crime" they were told to commit by the government when all parties thought they were killing someone that deserved it?

In the event you're unaware the people usually pay for all things the Government does on their behalf, using their tax monies.

And in the case of a death penalty conviction the people pay for the appeals that can be drawn out for years.
In the case of a sentence of life without parole, the tax payers can pay to survive an LwoP inmate for decades. Some inmates even die when they're in their 70's, having been sentenced when they were quite young.

 

[dogs4thewin]

In the event you're unaware the people usually pay for all things the Government does on their behalf, using their tax monies.

And in the case of a death penalty conviction the people pay for the appeals that can be drawn out for years.
In the case of a sentence of life without parole, the tax payers can pay to survive an LwoP inmate for decades. Some inmates even die when they're in their 70's, having been sentenced when they were quite young.

but why should someone have to spend the rest of their lives behind bars, if they did not know they were killing someone who did not deserve and the government did not know they did not deserve it? To me, it is easier, safer, and cheaper ( for the appeals reason) to not have the death penalty.

 

[KWCrazy]

The prison is full of murderers. Why make murderers of our corrections officials? If someone is guilty beyond all POSSIBLE doubt and it's an absolute certainty (which may never happen) Tattoo a bullseye on their forehead and turn them loose in the general population. Let the killers kill the killers. Oh, you just cut off Khalid Sheik Mohammed's head? The punishment for that is steak dinner for a week.

Some people do not meet the minimum requirements for humanity. Their removal is not murder, but sanitation. If some thug randomly shoots into a crowd and kills a few children, I'm not going to cry any tears when he gets shanked in the yard.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The prison is full of murderers. Why make murderers of our corrections officials? If someone is guilty beyond all POSSIBLE doubt and it's an absolute certainty (which may never happen) Tattoo a bullseye on their forehead and turn them loose in the general population. Let the killers kill the killers. Oh, you just cut off Khalid Sheik Mohammed's head? The punishment for that is steak dinner for a week.

Some people do not meet the minimum requirements for humanity. Their removal is not murder, but sanitation. If some thug randomly shoots into a crowd and kills a few children, I'm not going to cry any tears when he gets shanked in the yard.

By law they must treat such inmates though. By the way, what do you mean minimum requirements for humanity?