Deadly Head Wound...

[Psalm3704]

Hehehe Hollywood at its finest hour. I guess they won't need their clothes where they are going.

I thought it might be helpful for people that haven't realized the 6th seal is the rapture. Some naysayers might disagree with this but it's hard to argue when you read the events in Revelation 7.

I'm still hoping to find a video depicting Revelation 6:15-17. It's a figurative description of people's reaction immediately after the rapture when they realized the tribulation is now upon the as they're trapped and must go through it.

Revelation 6:15-17 NKJV
15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

Luke 21:34-36 CEB
34 “Take care that your hearts aren’t dulled by drinking parties, drunkenness, and the anxieties of day-to-day life. Don’t let that day fall upon you unexpectedly, 35 like a trap. It will come upon everyone who lives on the face of the whole earth. 36 Stay alert at all times, praying that you are strong enough to escape everything that is about to happen and to stand before the Human One.”​

 

[Berean777]

I thought it might be helpful for people that haven't realized the 6th seal is the rapture. Some naysayers might disagree with this but it's hard to argue when you read the events in Revelation 7.

I'm still hoping to find a video depicting Revelation 6:15-17. It's a figurative description of people's reaction immediately after the rapture when they realized the tribulation is now upon the as they're trapped and must go through it.

Revelation 6:15-17 NKJV
15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

Luke 21:34-36 CEB
34 “Take care that your hearts aren’t dulled by drinking parties, drunkenness, and the anxieties of day-to-day life. Don’t let that day fall upon you unexpectedly, 35 like a trap. It will come upon everyone who lives on the face of the whole earth. 36 Stay alert at all times, praying that you are strong enough to escape everything that is about to happen and to stand before the Human One.”​

You do realise what happens upon everyone unexpectedly on a day and hour in the middle of the night at midnight (12:00), that is, time is up?

They die just like everyone does. Death, the very symbol of the thief who comes on a day and hour that no one expects will take them away, then whammo, their gone/raptured.

 

[Berean777]

~STAFF EDIT~

Oh Lord give me counsel, where can I start to even explain to this gentleman that the harvest is from your resurrection even onto the very end of the world?, especially when full preterists don't even believe that the world will someday end and everyone dies.

I will ask you one thing and one thing brother in Christ, do you believe that one day the world will end and all life will come to an end on earth?

Please note I am asking for your opinion only and not a twisting of scripture in a spiritual gymnastic routine.

 

[JM]

Ummm....

IIII. Additional Rules

Full preterism is not allowed.

 

[random person]

Double post.

 

[parousia70]

During the siege of 70 AD, God allowed the Romans under Titus to destroy Jerusalem, as he had allowed the Babylonians to destroy it earlier.

Hmmmm.
In the case of the Babylonian Exile, the prophets describe it as far more than God simply "allowing" it to happen... they Describe it as God Himself wielding his sword. They describe it as God Himself doing the killing, and they describe it as a VISIBLE event that "all flesh" would see:

As I live, says the Lord Yahweh, surely with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with wrath poured out, will I be king over you: and I will bring you out from the peoples, and will gather you out of the countries in which you are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with wrath poured out; and I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there will I enter into judgment with you face to face...Hear the word of Yahweh: Thus says the Lord Yahweh, Behold, I will kindle a fire in you, and it shall devour every green tree in you, and every dry tree: the flaming flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burnt thereby. All flesh shall see that I, Yahweh, have kindled it...Thus says Yahweh: Behold, I am against you, and will draw forth my sword out of its sheath, and will cut off from you the righteous and the wicked. Seeing then that I will cut off from you the righteous and the wicked, therefore shall my sword go forth out of its sheath against all flesh from the south to the north: and all flesh shall know that I, Yahweh, have drawn forth my sword out of its sheath (Ez 20:33-35,47-48; 21:3-5)

Christ remained at the right hand of God during the siege and nobody saw Him on earth, but some of us still claim that was the Second Coming...

Did anyone in Israel "see" God take his sword out of it's sheath, and Kindle that fire as the Prophet so plainly, clearly describes above?

It kind of sounds very similar to another "Secret Coming" where Christ returns and resurrects the dead, but nobody on earth sees Him.

How do you interpret Matthew 21:33-45?

Fulfilled? If so, when?
If not, when will it be??

 

[Berean777]

Revelation 21:1
1Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

The missing part of this city is a SEA. Now we know that it is not a literal sea, rather when considering the use of the word throughout scripture it points to humanity in general, i.e. The former sea (old covenant) and the latter sea (new covenant).

If there is no sea, then there is no humanity left and if there is no humanity left as we know it, then what is missing that was part of the cycle previously?

There will be no more death.

This has to be taken both spiritually and physically because it encompasses both as related to there being NO SEA, meaning no humanity. Off or use of there is no humanity then there is no one left to be spiritually dead nor physically dead for that matter.

Revelation 21:10
10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem,

John saw something that he was told to measure. Even though the measurements are symbolic, the question arises how could John see the city to be measured if it is the heart of believers and how could the heart be measured if we are looking at it from your perspective that it is the dwelling place of God within the heart of the believer?

So far we have humanity being removed and the city as the definite article being measured as John witnesses the scene within the vision.

It doesn't stop there either.......

Revelation 21:17
17And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty andfour cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

I remember Jesus answering one of the Sadducees that in the resurrection they will no longer marry or be given in marriage, yet they will be like the Angels in heaven. This city and its measurements don't have a sea, meaning humanity, yet is comprised of angels that roam that city.

Jesus pointed to physical marriage, between a man and a women and then contrasted that to the experience of angels which is vastly different to the human experience.

Why stop here, let's continue......

 

[Berean777]

John on the other hand indwelled by the Holy Ghost (post Pentecost) comforted the apostles by saying we don't know what the experience will be like, but when we see the Lord in his glorified form, we too will be like him and have the post resurrection experience and see him as he is in his post resurrection glorified form.

Now John wrote this message when he had the indwelling of the Holy Ghost and after Christ had already ascended up on high. To see Christ within the context of 1 John 3:2 means, that even though John had the Holy Ghost indwelling, he had not yet experienced the post resurrection glorified body (not earthly/human).

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

John in the verse above states that now we are the sons of God meaning we are already indwelled by the Holy Ghost, yet at the same time he is saying that we haven't yet experienced the post resurrection form that he compares to the Lord's glorified post resurrection form.

This verse cannot be a spiritual second appearing in 70AD which is judgement in context. The context of 1 John 3:2 is highlighting an experience vastly different from a human experience even with the indwelling of the Holy Ghost, this experience is post physical death/resurrection where we no longer are given in marriage and are like the angels in heaven, Christ's white cloud.

It is clear that what is missing of the new earth and new heaven is the non human experience that accompanies it.

Therefore as John described that as human beings we have yet to experience this afterlife experience. Throughout the Old Covenant the peoples took the message to heart that after they died that they too may be recipients of the promise and hope tied to the message.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Jesus clearly discussed a kingdom that was in our midst, when we live godly (Luke 17:21. He also discussed a future fully complete kingdom. Jesus didn't return in AD 70 or every eye would've seen him. John didn't write Revelation until about AD 95 and he definitely didn't write it before AD 70, which eliminates the preterist view immediately. When I was first a Christian i was a Preterist until someone kindly corrected me and I allowed myself to be taught.

yeah but i find that most have misunderstood luke 17:21 by reading it out of context!

let's see what the verse really says!


Luke 17:20-21(NKJV)
20Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation;
21nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

first, we notice that Jesus is answering the pharisees (verse 20). so, for those who believe that the kingdom of God is within you, would have to believe that Jesus was saying, that the people He called hypocrites, had the kingdom of God within them!

that simply wouldn't make sense!

the word "within" in the verse is "entos" in the greek (strong's G1787) which means "inside" or "within".

"entos" comes from the root "en" (strong's G1722), which can have the meaning "among".

Jesus is part of the kingdom of God, just like a rose is part of the plant kingdom. so, Jesus was telling the pharisees that the "kingdom of God" was standing there "within" their midst or standing there "among" them!

notice the next verse:

Luke 17:22(NKJV)
22Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it.

notice He references Himself in verse 22, He was standing right there for them to see!

now, the kindom doesn't enter us, we are to enter into it! (see mark 10:15.23-25)

we are to inherit the kingdom, matt 25:34.

 

[n2thelight]

Simple question

Why are people still dying?

 

[n2thelight]

The first beast is a political system,ie,the NWO,which is babylon

The second beast is satan himself who will heal the wound of the first beast ...

 

[Berean777]

I believe that since God incarnated himself in flesh, therefore Satan will also be incarnated in flesh ro deceive the nations for the last time before he is destroyed in the lake of fire.

 

[BABerean2]

How do you interpret Matthew 21:33-45?

Fulfilled? If so, when?
If not, when will it be??

Fullfilled in 70 AD.

I will agree that everything that happens is a part of God's Plan.

God had warned the children of Israel in the past, however He already knew what they would do and the consequences that would be a result of their disobedience.

I do not pretend to know the thoughts of God. His thoughts are higher than mine.

They were warned before the Babylonian exile, and then God used the Babylonians to carry out his will.
He did the same thing during the ministry of Jesus.
Jesus warned them and then God used the Romans to carry out His will and destroyed the temple.

I will never understand why some of us insist that Jesus remained seated at God's right hand, while he returned to earth in 70 AD to help the Romans destroy the temple.
It is a point of logic that I have not been able to escape.

We may never agree on Christ's Second Coming.

Respectully,

 

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[parousia70]

Fullfilled in 70 AD.

Matthew 21:40-41
40 When therefore the lord of the vineyard shall come, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those miserable men, and will let out the vineyard unto other husbandmen, who shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

You assert that The Lord of the Vineyard "Came" in 70AD?

 

[parousia70]

I believe that since God incarnated himself in flesh, therefore Satan will also be incarnated in flesh ro deceive the nations for the last time before he is destroyed in the lake of fire.

Interesting premise.

Would you therefore also assert that since the mark of the beast is a literal physical mark (Computer chip, RFID, etc...) that the mark of God (Rev 7:3,9:4) is likewise a physical computer chip mark?

 

[BABerean2]

Matthew 21:40-41
40 When therefore the lord of the vineyard shall come, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those miserable men, and will let out the vineyard unto other husbandmen, who shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

You assert that The Lord of the Vineyard "Came" in 70AD?

Well, based on what you and I both believe He destroyed those wicked men and burned up their city and also remained seated at the right hand of God at the same time.
Interpreting the word "parousia" literally in the parable might be the source of our disagreement.
If Christ had come literally, He would not have needed any help from the Romans, because we know what happened to the Egyptian army at the Red Sea crossing.
Two angels wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah, and they did not need help from a human army.

When you get it completely figured out let me know.
It is an oxymoron if you are going to say He returned physically to planet earth in 70 AD, but nobody saw Him and He remained seated at the right hand of the Father, while He was here.
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[Berean777]

Interesting premise.

Would you therefore also assert that since the mark of the beast is a literal physical mark (Computer chip, RFID, etc...) that the mark of God (Rev 7:3,9:4) is likewise a physical computer chip mark?

I never talked about the mark of the beast nor the seal of God. Either way I do not subscribe to your paragraph above mentioned.

What I said is that God our Creator came in flesh as the Man Jesus of Nazereth to redeem us, so wouldn't it also be befitting that Satan comes at the end of time as an incarnated man to deceive the nations for the last and final time.

Revelation of John states that the 1st beast that received the mortal head wound signalled the chaining of Satan and the destruction of the 1st beast along with the false prophet (religious system). Then at the latter times John points to a mystery 2nd lamb like beast that he is not aware of neither is he aware of the harlot who has many daughters. At that appointed time the second battle ensues, that is, the battle of Gog and Magog, where Satan is also killed in the lake of fire.

So the first time satan gives power to the 1st beast in his stead for the battle of Armageddon and then at the last battle he comes himself in person to do his own bidding and is killed because he becomes a man.

Isaiah 14 has God saying to Satan that your earthly Kings will say to you that you have become weak and mortal like us, you have become human like us.

 

[parousia70]

I never talked about the mark of the beast nor the seal of God. Either way I do not subscribe to your paragraph above mentioned.

What I said is that God our Creator came in flesh as the Man Jesus of Nazereth to redeem us, so wouldn't it also be befitting that Satan comes at the end of time as an incarnated man to deceive the nations for the last and final time.

I'm just applying your same "wouldn't it also be fitting" criteria to the marks.

If one is physical/literal, would't it also be fitting that the other is as well?

 

[Berean777]

I'm just applying your same "wouldn't it also be fitting" criteria to the marks.

If one is physical/literal, would't it also be fitting that the other is as well?

But it is not the same because Messiah did come physically to earth and in flesh.