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Question-have you looked into the cost of a nanny instead? I'm thinking the cost of three children full time in day care is going to be VERY high. Not to mention it's possible the children will have more individualized attention and a schedule that's followed where all siblings are also together or get together w/other children. Part time for daycare typically still charge you full time prices.

I never used daycare myself-my mom watched the kids when I worked and I'm personally not a fan but I know it works for some parents.
 
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Perhaps my reaction to your words was a bit abrasive, so let me try this-

There is no one, anywhere in the world capable of giving your children what you can as their mother. Unless you are headed toward financial ruin by not going back to work, I would offer you should stay with your kids at home. If you or your kids are bored, then find something fun to do with them. I was never bored when I was little. I had my siblings, and of course my mom who always made it clear to all of us that we were loved, unconditionally, and with real joy from her.

Maybe it would help if you stepped back and thought about your life as a child. Think about what was great and not so great and see if there is something to be gained through introspection.

I'm simply trying to advocate for you kids. They want mom. They want mom to want to be there in her heart too.

Take care.

I'm pretty anti-daycare myself, but everyone's situation is different. My sister just spent 13 years becoming a doctor. She's about to get married and they are going to try for kids right away. Should she give up all of those years and her career? She's got hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans to payoff too. We've set up a plan where I will watch her kids a few days a week. Yeah, that's technically daycare, but it's all in the family and all of our kids will grow up together. Be careful before you cast down judgement on all people.

Like I said, I'm pretty anti-daycare myself. I quit my job and spend all day with my baby. However, I did not think that everyone's situation is the same. My sister definately has a calling to help people in their battles with cancer, and I don't think that should keep her from having children. Everyone's situation is different.
 
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I just took a prescribed painkiller (DH is home with me watching our daugher)...please don't jump all over me. I just read the other stuff, but I'm a bit loopy, probably shoudn't be posting).

I would like to add, that maybe you should give it a little longer and add structure to your days. Kids do need it and you are able to do it...you just need to do it. Everyday can be an adventure in the kitchen, in the yard, and at the table with crafts. Why pay someone money to stucture your kids lives when you can do it yourself for free?
 
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So, lass, maybe it's time you got a response from someone who actually HAS put her children in day care, and can witness personally to how it's affected her family and her relationship with her children.

In Canada, working women are entitled to a year of unemployment insurance -- admittedly, "only" six months at the time it applied to me -- and guaranteed return at current seniority to the same employer. So, we rarely see newborns in daycare, or even children in their first two trimesters of life (and indeed very few daycares have places for this age-group). So, when I placed my daughters in daycare breastfeeding was already well established, they were already taking simple solid foods, and the parent-child attachment bond was already well developed. This is a very different situation than I read about happening in the United States where some women are required to choose between returning to their jobs at six weeks(!) or not having a job to return to, and it is this relatively healthy pattern of daycare of which I can recount my experiences.

That being said, I have worked full-time all my children's lives except for those two six-month periods, and I kept my elder daughter in daycare part-time when I was home with her younger sister in order to respect the relationships she had formed with her day-care care-givers. My elder daughter is now a high-school senior, and my younger daughter a junior. According to the elder in her own words "I have a better relationship with my parents than anyone I know ... " (here eyes roll at the thought) "I certainly have a better relationship than M--" (who was home-cared throughout childhood) "has with hers, and I'm a whole lot emotionally more healthy". In my husband's words "I can never understand all those people who say "Oh, poor you, you have teenagers, as if teenagers were something bad." In the words of the mom of one of the unrelated backstage parents "We love your girls -- they are so kind and compassionate: and they have such a lovely relationship with one another". My teenagers still call me "Mama", even in public, and my elder daughter (who is lame with juvenile arthritis) today chose to walk along arm-in-arm with me rather than taking a crutch to lean on.

So, I can attest with considerable force that daycare did not result in BAD relationships within our family. But are we close despite using daycare? Or did it help forge the strong relationships that we enjoy? I think it did.

For one thing, to quote a long-time internet friend of my ivillage days, "I'm a better parent when I can put a roof over my children's head and put food on the table". Working is the historical norm for people of both sexes, the brief abberation of the 1950's and 1960's notwithstanding. Cottage industry and domestic service positions don't exist as they did in previous centuries, but the women who worked in those roles had to rely on neighbours and extended family to provide care for their children just as you rely on daycare now -- and those caregivers were often less careful and less qualified than a modern daycare! Earning your living -- even if you share that role with someone else -- is nothing to be ashamed of. Most marital conflict is, in fact, related to financial stress. Having the safety-net of two jobs in the family can increase financial security, reduce stress, and result in a happier and more secure home-life.

Second, your children are not going to be "raised by strangers". You will be choosing the daycare so you can choose one that reflects your values. Our daycare was run by six of the loveliest gentle old Carmelite nuns: we still stay in distal contact with them. Every hour that my daughters were in care, someone was in the chapel praying for them, and they spent more time being dandled on the old Bishop's knee than on their grandfather's. In this age of isolated nuclear families, the convent house beside the daycare facility took the place of "grandma's house" for the girls, and the nuns were like the loving spinster aunts of my childhood.

And, however well-matched the daycare situation, more than half your children's waking hours will still be spent with you. The old quality-time-versus-quantity-time debate has been subverted: you certainly cannot replace quantity with quality and pretend that one trip to the zoo makes up for ten hours of compansionship. But, you do need to take into account that quantity time can be squandered and made worthless. Any hours your four-year-old is spending alone in her room or in front of a television is squandered -- just as lost to your relationship as if you were spending those hours at a jobsite. If the time you spend at work refreshes you and leaves you yearning for your children, with the result that when you are with them you are WITH them, then your relationship will in fact be better for that commitment.

There are traps and challenges that you will have to deal with as a working parent. Transitional stress is the big one: you will be transitioning from your work mode to home mode at exactly the same time your children are transitioning from daycare to homecare -- and both right at the time that your blood-sugar is low and dinner still needs to be cooked. You'll have to be creative to find ways to cope with that stress that bring you together instead of driving you apart. My biggest piece of advice whether you go back to work, or use a nanny, or follow through with your current plan is: get that TV out of your child's bedroom and find a healthier coping mechanism than TV. Good luck, and PM me if you want advice from one who has been there, done it, and looks back with pride and thanksgiving on the outcome.



 
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I've never needed to use Day Care, but some of the most loving and connected families I know have used it.

One of the best things we can give our kids is other kids to play with.:thumbsup:

ETA - I know what you mean about kids as they get older. Sure the are cute and cool when they're babies, but they get more fun as they get older imo. I know I am certainly enjoying my nieces and nephews more and more as they are getting older... Sorry you've been so jumped on in this thread. I think that people may have misunderstood you a bit.
 
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I think every family dynamic is different and if there is something out there that will allow you to be the best parent and provider that you can be then there is no shame in using it. I admit it is not the right choice for my family at this time but that doesn't mean it isn't the right choice for others.

I have had my oldest in preK at a daycare center. It was the best choice for us at the time since I had three under 4 years old, undiagnosed ppd and a sudden lack of support system. I needed help from somewhere and the daycare center was the help I needed at the time.

The one thing I was not ready for was my daughter was not able to really process the different family dynamics that the other children came from. She suddenly started to fear that if my husband and I got even the littlest bit annoyed with each other that she'd be getting a new daddy. It was also the sickest year of her life. She had respiratory infection after respiratory infection, the flu, a violent stomach bug and fevers.
 
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It works well with some families. I agree, you must be at peace with it. If you and your spouse are in agreement and your children prosper there, that's all that really matters. The daycare that you choose does make all the difference though. I'd stay away from corporately run daycares with very young ones and prefer to choose a more homey like environment, preferably ran by grandmotherly types with a play based theme rather than academically based. I'd suggest figuring out what your expectations are from daycare and find one that is compatible to your parenting philosophy.

Good luck with your new job, HB!
 
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For what it's worth I have friends who love their children dearly but do not like babies. They parent them the best they can but in reality they can't wait for them to grow up past the baby/toddler stage.

As for your daycare question - I am the daycare - people drop their children off with me. I do try my best to do some things during the day to keep them busy and only use the TV as a last resort [when you have 4 boys who are all within 4 months of each other sometimes they all want to beat each other up. LOL] I keep meals at the same time, down time. I play games with them but at this age most of their playing is learning. I know daycare dyacare has more school type activities but I think when we sing songs, play games you'd be surprised at what these kids learn on their own and see their imaginations come to life. I see a boy turn an umbrella into the hose for a vacuum and go along the baseboards like he's seen me do. :)

My relationship with my son has grown he's much more independent. :)
 
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