Dawkins Admits that they are working on it.

[TemperateSeaIsland]

Oh, man ---

REPETITION, Repetition, repetition, repetition ... ad infinitum

Yep because you never give a straight answer to that question...

why should anyone take what the bible says seriously, for you it's an apriory because of your faith but that does not make it evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yep because you never give a straight answer to that question...

why should anyone take what the bible says seriously, for you it's an apriory because of your faith but that does not make it evidence.

Fine --- then keep asking the same questions --- and we'll keep giving you the same answers. Fair enough?

 

[Skavau]

Indeed.

Yes.

There's a big difference though. Thor doesn't have nearly the backing that God does.

So what? The proposal is exactly the same.

Where are Thor's followers?

Popularity is not indicative of truth.

What nation was built around Thor's written words?

Another irrelevance.

This earth has seen two superpowers emerge, both collectively claiming the existence of Jehovah --- and both in existence and going strong today. Can Thor top that?

Doesn't matter. What matters is that saying God exists, and is beyond evidence is no different in the slightest than saying Thor, or Odin or the Flying Spaghetti Monster exist and are beyond evidence.

So why should science care about assertions with no evidence? Why should science care or recognise assertions that have no evidence, but claims that even cite a lack of evidence as good thing.

[insert picture of Bible]

You've yet to demonstrate that what the Bible claims is true. So what if the Bible asserts that God exists? How do we know that the Bible is true?

 

[TemperateSeaIsland]

Fine --- then keep asking the same questions --- and we'll keep giving you the same answers. Fair enough?

Makes more sense for you to give a proper answer and I'll stop asking the question. I think it would make it easier on everyone.

 

[Naraoia]

It's called faith.

Glad you have it. *sigh*

You're another example of someone who doesn't really know me. Almost every time someone asked me this, I came back with a pic of the Bible. I got so tired of doing that, that I eventually stopped, and started just saying that God is transcendent of physical evidence, which He is.

Either I don't really know you or I'm hoping against hope that you'll descend from the lofty heights of your faith and answer my questions.

If you claim God is transcendent of physical evidence then don't come and say that the Bible is evidence for God or creation or whatever. Be at least consistent with yourself.

 

[Naraoia]

There's a big difference though. Thor doesn't have nearly the backing that God does.

1. Where are Thor's followers?
2. What nation was built around Thor's written words?

So Hitler was right after all?

This earth has seen two superpowers emerge, both collectively claiming the existence of Jehovah --- and both in existence and going strong today. Can Thor top that?

Which two? US and....? Russia? China?

Or the Roman Empire?

BTW, Thor's (and Odin's and Loki's etc etc) followers raided whole Europe and discovered America centuries before Columbus

 

[AV1611VET]

Makes more sense for you to give a proper answer and I'll stop asking the question. I think it would make it easier on everyone.

It doesn't work that way though. Every answer just generates another question until the line of questioning drops below the horizon, and we have to implement Titus 3:9 ---

[bible]Titus 3:9[/bible]

Then we get accused of not answering questions - (which is true); but the line of questioning for any particular doctrine has to end sometime, and I can vouch by experience for the fact that by the time we invoke Titus, the original point has been lost to obscurity.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you claim God is transcendent of physical evidence then don't come and say that the Bible is evidence for God or creation or whatever. Be at least consistent with yourself.

That's probably because you want to accuse me of, what do you guys call it, Bibliolatry? You know exactly where I stand on the Bible (I hope); It was written and given to us by God as our standard for faith and practice. I submit that it is indeed physical evidence (yea, proof) of God's existence, but others don't see it that way, so I'll just resort to Plan B - i.e., God is transcendent of His creation.

And since He didn't create the Bible per se, He wrote It over a period of 1500 years, It's not part of His six-day creation, anyway. So God is indeed outside of His creation, but interacts with it.

To sum it up: the Bible is indeed evidence for God; but if you don't want to accept It as such, then you'll have to do without.

This is a good example of what Jesus meant in Matthew 7 ---

[bible]Matthew 7:6[/bible]

 

[Dragar]

And we know it's true, because it says so in the Bible.

 

[The Bellman]

Wow, man. You're like Mother Theresa or something. I weep thinking of the good you do.

No, I'm not like Mother Theresa. I, at least, am sincere and not a hypocrite.

 

[The Bellman]

I never suggest abandoning science; rather I always suggest that the data be reinterpreted to align itself to what the Bible says.

You constantly suggest abandoning science - whenever it doesn't agree with your religious beliefs. As you do in the example you cite here:

I'll even throw in my favorite example for about the third time, just to show you I'm a nice guy:

1. "Evidence" says the Egyptians existed before the Flood.
2. The Egyptians still exist today.
3. Therefore the Flood was not a global flood.

Now the Bible's take on it:

1. Since the Egyptians came from Mizraim, who was Noah's grandson, the Egyptians came after the Flood, not before it.
2. The Egyptians still exist today.
3. And the Flood was a global flood, as depicted in the Bible.

Never mind what the evidence states, you're happy to just ignore it (abandoning science) where it conflicts with your religious beliefs. Thanks for providing us with this excellent example of you doing it.

 

[The Bellman]

Then he should shut up and wait for his elders and betters to speak.

If only creationists would take this advice.

 

[Avatar]

No, I'm not like Mother Theresa. I, at least, am sincere and not a hypocrite.

My bad.You are way more awesome than Mother Theresa!! You are like the awesomists!!!

 

[FishFace]

But for the record, and I don't know how many times I've said this before

Nor how many times you've been corrected?

we hold science up to a higher Standard than atheists do.

"Higher" is a value judgment you've made no attempt to justify.

I never suggest abandoning science; rather I always suggest that the data be reinterpreted to align itself to what the Bible says.

"Aligning" data IS abandoning science.

 

[The Bellman]

My bad.You are way more awesome than Mother Theresa!! You are like the awesomists!!!

If you think so.

 

[godlessagnostic]

My bad.You are way more awesome than Mother Theresa!! You are like the awesomists!!!

Yet another Catholic who doesn't think. Why are there Catholics on this section of the forum the last thing we need is a bunch of people saying we don't know whether evolution is true because we haven't thought about it and we don't plan on it. I truthfully have never met a Catholic who has thought at all about their religion. I'm not saying there aren't any just usally they don't care. I think there's a larger chance that all Catholics are actually machines comprised by the illuminati to confuse people then Creationism (I'm dead serious not trying to be funny). Any person who has used "awesomeists"(I don't even know how to pronounce that word I would assume it's a typo but I don't know what the typo would be in this context) has never had a thought in their life.

 

[Avatar]

Yet another Catholic who doesn't think. Why are there Catholics on this section of the forum the last thing we need is a bunch of people saying we don't know whether evolution is true because we haven't thought about it and we don't plan on it. I truthfully have never met a Catholic who has thought at all about their religion. I'm not saying there aren't any just usally they don't care. I think there's a larger chance that all Catholics are actually machines comprised by the illuminati to confuse people then Creationism (I'm dead serious not trying to be funny). Any person who has used "awesomeists"(I don't even know how to pronounce that word I would assume it's a typo but I don't know what the typo would be in this context) has never had a thought in their life.

You made me pee!

 

[Morcova]

If you think so.

You have a boyfriend!

 

[Avatar]

You have a boyfriend!

I'd rather be his minion and bask in his presence.

 

[flatworm]

I'd rather be his minion and bask in his presence.

I'd hold out for a henchman position; it looks better on a resume.