David's Exposé of DNA

Adam Kadamon · May 3, 2004

tulc said:
are they..."VITAL FORCE" cookies(tm)? Because if they are, no thanks, they take to long to produce.
tulc(do you have chocolate chip? I'll have one of those! and I brought milk!)

*looks* Nope...no VITAL FORCE(tm) cookies. We tried doing some scienceytific stuff to make the sun produce VITAL FORCE(tm) cookies, but no matter what we do it just keeps shooting out those **** planets

As for the chocolate chip....well, I have regular and vegan chocolate chip cookies (for our lactose intolerant friends) don't know which is which though. They both taste the same.

Adam Kadamon · May 3, 2004

I'm going to speak to you seriously, Mr. Waffen.

I have very strong misgivings about anyone who comes in here saying they have 'uncovered the great lie that is evolution'. You are not the first and you will not be the last.

Why?

Lack of proof? Lack of knowledge in given subjects? No.

The fact that you are proclaiming possession of this knowledge on a public message board like this where (regardless if everyone believed you) you would get no furthur in your cause. Were you just so excited you had to share? Why not write a book? Contact the government? You'd be famous!

So...what about it? Ready to REALLY go public?

lucaspa · May 4, 2004

Nathan Poe said:
Don't worry about it. You're just what my grandmother used to call "A PBS mind in an MTV world."

ROFL! Nice one. And not because it tries to compliment me. Tell your grandmother that's a great phrase.

Nathan Poe · May 4, 2004

lucaspa said:
ROFL! Nice one. And not because it tries to compliment me. Tell your grandmother that's a great phrase.

Alas, my grandmother passed away a while ago, but, if there is an afterlife, I'm sure she knows you liked it.

And if there's not... well, at least her wit and wisdom has survived...

tulc · May 6, 2004

/me sticks head in, see's no DNA evidence (love CSI!) decides to drink some coffee when he can't find any old cookies around leaves to annoy other people

lucaspa · May 6, 2004

Nathan Poe said:
Alas, my grandmother passed away a while ago, but, if there is an afterlife, I'm sure she knows you liked it.

And if there's not... well, at least her wit and wisdom has survived...

Sorry to hear that. She sounds like a great lady. Wish I could've known her. I bet we would have had some good times being irreverent!

And now that wit and wisdom will go even further. I'll be sure to pass the phrase along.

lucaspa · May 6, 2004

tulc said:
* tulc sticks head in, see's no DNA evidence (love CSI!) decides to drink some coffee when he can't find any old cookies around leaves to annoy other people

All right! An Ambrose Bierce fan! A definition from The Devil's Dictionary! I easily remember the ones for "flag" and "zig-zag" but the one for "absurdity" hits home too, doesn't it? I'd forgotten it.

Drotar · May 6, 2004

David, another question arises. You can centrifuge DNA under specific conditions and separate actual genes from pseudo-genes and microsatellites. Scientific American, January 1999, Microsatellites: Agents of Evolution? I think)

What is it that is being centrifuged?

Jet Black · May 6, 2004

I would guess that you centrifuge the DNA in some solution. No doubt something will be added which attaches to the genes, and makes them heavier, so that they go to the bottom of the mix, or something that makes them lighter and so they sit on the top.

monkenstick · May 7, 2004

Wow, this is kooky. You sure this guy isn't just a really un-subtle troll?

Jet Black · May 7, 2004

I'm not a trol.... oh, you mean David. I suspect he is, which is why I don't take him seriously at all

tulc · May 10, 2004

/me looks around, still sees no evidence, shrugs, leaves a plate of cookies and heads out to find people to annoy.
tulc(who's work is never done!)

Mistermystery · May 10, 2004

I found teh vital force more evidence then I could ever hope for.

David Waffen · May 11, 2004

Drotar said:
David, another question arises. You can centrifuge DNA under specific conditions and separate actual genes from pseudo-genes and microsatellites. Scientific American, January 1999, Microsatellites: Agents of Evolution? I think)

What is it that is being centrifuged?

That is like asking how a magician performs a trick, it varies by preference and method. If you want to go into specifics, you might talk about the methods used as the source of the "DNA", prokaryotic, eukaryotic nucleous or mitochondrial, etc.

David Waffen · May 11, 2004

Jet Black said:
I would guess that you centrifuge the DNA in some solution. No doubt something will be added which attaches to the genes, and makes them heavier, so that they go to the bottom of the mix, or something that makes them lighter and so they sit on the top.

A bit like electrophoresis, in which proteins are segmented, denatured and bathed in negatively-charged solution to give it a more negative charge. The proteins are then exposed to an electrical current which allows the human eye to distinguish between similar strands based on movement/size. This can, as scientists in the DNA fantasy world claim, be done on "DNA". The problem is when the vital force is affected by these processes. Not all cells have similar vital forces, so when they perform these tests and see differences, they love to pin it on DNA, which is simply a lie. You will find that similar cells and relatives have similar vital forces, so when you begin to expose them to these various processes, it is no wonder the vital force acts on them and yields results that differ based on the make-up of the samples. The vital forces of similar samples will causes the processes to yield more similar results then the vital forces of dissimilar samples. It has nothing to do with "DNA". It is all basic logic.

Jet Black · May 11, 2004

Hey david, recently I had a chromosome check to have a look for an inheritable genetic disorder. It was found that I am a normal male in terms of Chromosome count (46XY)

so what were they looking at then?

they are also going to sequence a bit of my genome to look for something else... so what are the results that they will return then?

Mistermystery · May 11, 2004

We're almost 2 weeks further, and still I have to see any conclusive evidence that DNA is non-exsitant.Go ahead davey you've kept us waiting long enough.

David Waffen · May 11, 2004

If you put different oils and fats in water with another single solution as your constant, you will find they all interact differently based on how dissimilar the oils and fats are. Different brands of olive oil will interact more similar than lard or butter.

Same with with these "DNA" processes.

Jet Black · May 11, 2004

Mistermystery said:
We're almost 2 weeks further, and still I have to see any conclusive evidence that DNA is non-exsitant.Go ahead davey you've kept us waiting long enough.

oh but we have "vital forces" now, so we are getting close I feel. I am just wondering how one sequences these vital forces, and how these vital forces are inherited in a particulate manner with mendelian ratios.

Jet Black · May 11, 2004

David Waffen said:
If you put different oils and fats in water with another single solution as your constant, you will find they all interact differently based on how dissimilar the oils and fats are. Different brands of olive oil will interact more similar than lard or butter.

Same with with these "DNA" processes.

does that tell me what they were looking at when they did a chromosome count?

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