David's Exposé of DNA

[Dark_Adonis]

I studied Greek Mythology in school, doesn't mean it is true.

Did they claim it to be true?

 

[MartinM]

Those were supposed to be feet?

Suure...feet. I believe you.

 

[Dark_Adonis]

Suure...feet. I believe you.

And then the pixie of knowledge was dead.... I suppose I'll say he was crucified by the evil agnostics...

 

[lucaspa]

Stalling? I see, let's force anyone who has an opinion to immediatly post a defense of it

Why did you form an opinion without evidence? All we are asking you to do is post the evidence that led you to that opinion.

I have isolated DNA and seen it with the naked eye. Then I've performed the analyses to demonstrate the chemical composition. Now, since I've held DNA in my hand like I've held salt crystals in my hand, I find it a little difficult to accept that DNA is a lie.

 

[lucaspa]

As all intelligent scientists know, so called "X-rays" are part of the overall Vital Force of the Universe. Obviously these forces must exist, otherwise we would not be able to use them to live and the case of "X-rays", measure them passing through substances.

Where has any scientist written that x-rays are part of the "Vital Force of the Universe"? If we need x-rays to live, how is it that too many x-rays will kill us?

The problem with science is that a few hundreds years ago people reached the "Age of Reason" (Paine) - where they attempted to lie to the masses in order to convince people that man can understand the mysteries of the Vital Force for their own perverse reasons. Suddenly mankind evolved from animals, the Earth popped out of the Sun - which was part of the "Big Bang" which they say started from virtual particles and a bunch of other nonsense.

ROFL! ROFL! No one ever said the earth popped out of the sun or that the formation of the solar system was part of the Big Bang or that we started from virtual particles.

The Vital Force can not be understood, only observed. There is no 'atom' just different natures and ranges of the Vital Force.

This is beginning to be a parody of String Theory. Atoms are just vibrating strings.

Hermann Kolbe of the University of Leipzig, one of the leading organic chemists of 1877 called the idea of understanding the bonding nature of "carbon" a "document crammed to the hilt with the outpourings of a childish fantasy . . . . This Dr. J. H. van Hoff, employed by the Veterinary College at Utrecht, has, so it seems, no taste for accurate chemical research. He finds it more convenient to mount his Pegasus (evidently taken from the stables of the Veterinary College) and to announce how, on his bold flight to Mount Parnassus, he saw the atoms arranged in space"

Do you have a source for this quote? This has very little to do with DNA and the "..." tells us something was left out.

So who are you going to believe, a 22-year with a childish fantasy or the leading organic chemists?

Well, I'm not going to believe poster giving uncited misquotes from an organic chemist. Sorry, the Argument from Authority doesn't work. In science, the only "authority" is the universe itself. What van Hoff said about the work of a fellow chemist doesn't count.

Who's the 22 year-old? Watson? He was 24-25 in 1953 (born 1928) when the double helix of DNA was published.

Remember, DNA was known by thousands of people before that. It was even known to be the hereditary material. All Watson and Crick did was work out the structure of DNA (double helix) which explained how DNA could replicate. DNA cannot be a lie.

BTW, David, how do you explain PCR (polymerase chain reaction) machines which take small amounts of DNA and replicate it in a machine until there is a lot of it? If the structure of DNA is a lie, how do PCRs work?

The world took his lie and had a fun time spinning it. They knew if they could convince the world of this nonsense, they could attack the Vital Force and make themselves greater than they were.

LOL! Vitalism had been shown to be false by 1900. The organic chemists like van Hoff had done that.

It should be pointed out that this child got a Nobel Prize as a reward for his lie - no motivation for it, of course.

No one gets a Nobel until decades after the work that gets cited. Plenty of time for other scientists -- jealous of the possible fame -- to expose the lie.

Never thought of that motivation, did you?

 

[funyun]

David:

You are a fluke of the Universe.
You have no right to be here, and whether you can hear it or not,
The Universe is laughing behind your back.

 

[Adam Kadamon]

*twiddles thumbs*

*taps fingers*

*reads book*

*sigh* Cookie, anyone?

 

[tulc]

*sigh* Cookie, anyone?

are they..."VITAL FORCE" cookies(tm)? Because if they are, no thanks, they take to long to produce.
tulc(do you have chocolate chip? I'll have one of those! and I brought milk!)

 

[Western Deity]

If we need x-rays to live, how is it that too many x-rays will kill us?

Too much water can kill you as well .

 

[Jet Black]

Too much water can kill you as well .

too little can as well. this is not true for x-rays

 

[Mistermystery]

All this talk about the vital force make me feel like I'm watching either the Phantom menace, or some random episode of Dragon ball Z. And I don't like either.

David: do you honestly believe that post you posted yourself?

 

[Western Deity]

too little can as well. this is not true for x-rays

Yeh, I suspected I couldn't correct lucapsa about anything .

 

[Jet Black]

Yeh, I suspected I couldn't correct lucapsa about anything .

I think lucaspa has been corrected on some minor points once or twice. It tends to be about things like advanced physics or whatever though.

 

[Western Deity]

LOL, yeh, even the most simple thing that lucaspa says takes me an hour on wikipedia just to get a grasp of. It's kind of odd, I have almost as much rep. as lucaspa, despite the fact that lucaspa has been consistently intelligent and humble and I haven't said anything remotely smart in my time here, while being a jerk .

Lucaspa is so slept on, probably because he's not always making witty remarks (or ones that us regular people get)... but that's cool, because he's not one of those types that is "too awesome" to answer a question.

 

[lucaspa]

Too much water can kill you as well .

That's true. Drink about 2 quarts of water a day and you will cause kidney failure.

However, I'm not claiming water is a Vital Force, either.

 

[lucaspa]

LOL, yeh, even the most simple thing that lucaspa says takes me an hour on wikipedia just to get a grasp of.

S-H dot your "i" - T! That's not good. I'm going to have to work on that.

but that's cool, because he's not one of those types that is "too awesome" to answer a question.

Thank you. Keep asking until you get an explanation you don't have to run to Wikpedia to understand.

 

[lucaspa]

A new article in the NY Times on science http://query.nytimes.com/mem/tnt.html?tntget=2004/04/29/science/29DNA.html&tntemail0

"Scientists have developed what they say could become the world's smallest medical kit: a computer, made of DNA, that can diagnose disease and automatically dispense medicine to treat it."

Now, I would hope that, when this treatment is available, that David turns it down. After all, since DNA is a "lie", then this treatment must also be a lie, right?

 

[Mistermystery]

LOL, yeh, even the most simple thing that lucaspa says takes me an hour on wikipedia just to get a grasp of. It's kind of odd, I have almost as much rep. as lucaspa, despite the fact that lucaspa has been consistently intelligent and humble and I haven't said anything remotely smart in my time here, while being a jerk .

For this post allone you diserve more rep the lucaspa

 

[Nathan Poe]

S-H dot your "i" - T! That's not good. I'm going to have to work on that.

Don't worry about it. You're just what my grandmother used to call "A PBS mind in an MTV world."

 

[BigToe]

I think the Vital Force is on the dark side.