Dating the creation of Adam

[Research1]

Extant estimates or calculations
on the creation of Adam (BC)

Others:

Harold Camping - 1103BC

Hugh Ross - Up to 58,000BC

Discuss what date you support.

 

[Mr Dave]

Lacking a bit of consistency on the 'creationist' pov then.

Unsurprisingly, I don't support any of those dates.

 

[Mallon]

Ditto.

 

[Research1]

Lacking a bit of consistency on the 'creationist' pov then.

Unsurprisingly, I don't support any of those dates.

Hugh Ross has the maximum figure of 58,000 BC, the lowest is about 3600 BC. Adam was created during this period based on the archeological and historical data we have.

 

[Mr Dave]

Hugh Ross has the maximum figure of 58,000 BC, the lowest is about 3600 BC. Adam was created during this period based on the archeological and historical data we have.

What archaeological and historical data would this be?

...
Edit.

One of yours (Harold Camping) gives a figure of 1,103 BC is this a typo?
Isn't this quite a large gap, at least 55,000 years especially if you base the age of the whole of creation to be only a few thousand more (which I don't).

 

[theFijian]

Hugh Ross has the maximum figure of 58,000 BC, the lowest is about 3600 BC. Adam was created during this period based on the archeological and historical data we have.

Do we have Adam's loincloth or something?

 

[miamited]

Hi Dave,

Yes, that is a typo. Harold Camping has determined the date of the creation to 11,000 BC.

To the OP.
I'm with the Masoretic camp. The universe and all things created by God in this realm stand at somewhere near 6,000 years. I base that on the literal six day creation account and the following lists of the generations.

God bless.
In Christ, Ted

 

[Mallon]

Do we have Adam's loincloth or something?

Yes. His name was stitched in the back.

 

[Mr Dave]

Thanks miamited


LOL at the loincloth

 

[Assyrian]

Internet Archive: Preadamites; or, A demonstration of the existence of men before Adam; together with a study of their condition, antiquity, racial affinities, and progressive dispersion over the earth .. (1888)
Author: Winchell, Alexander, 1824-1891

Not quite the most up to date source on the ANE although Winchell himself seem to have been and eminent geologist and a founder of the Geological Society of America. He was also what we would now call a TE

Answers.com - Who is Alexander Winchell
Alexander Winchell was for many years state geologist of Michigan and professor of geology and paleontology at the University of Michigan. He defined and first named Mississippian (Lower Carboniferous) strata along the upper part of the Mississippi River. Mt. Winchell in California was named for him. As a lecturer and writer Winchell did a great deal to reconcile the conflicts between science (particularly evolution) and religion. Like Rev. Henry Ward Beecher he embraced evolution as God's way of working out his purposes in the world.

 

[theFijian]

Yes. His name was stitched in the back.

Alongside "Wash at 40°"

 

[Research1]

What archaeological and historical data would this be?

The fact farming, sedentism, first notabe buildings, religious art, pottery, domestication of animals etc all started 15, 000 - 10, 000 B. P.

 

[Mr Dave]

The fact farming, sedentism, first notabe buildings, religious art, pottery, domestication of animals etc all started 15, 000 - 10, 000 B. P.

How does that prove Adam was created then (your original statement being that Adam was created then based on this evidence)?

Most scientists of this field agree that homo sapiens reached behavioural modernity (acted and behaved as a modern human would) about 50,000 years ago (your original thing had the date range of between 58,000 - 3,000 years I think), with the development of homo sapiens starting much earlier.

This doesn't show God created Adam then, it shows that what we know as humans, and demonstrating human traits (those mentioned by you) started to develop around then, themselves the product of previous developments anatomically and behaviourly (to come to have what we could call a 'human').


You would have to explain yourself more to express how these behavioural developments show historically and archaeologically that God created Adam and that this took place then.

 

[Research1]

You would have to explain yourself more to express how these behavioural developments show historically and archaeologically that God created Adam and that this took place then.

See my thread on this:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7536963/

- There are no signs of a transition from Stone Age to Neolithic Revolution, as archeologists state ''it sprung from nowhere''. I call that evidence for creation.

 

[freezerman2000]

My take is that God created Adam and Eve not in his physical image, but his spiritual image...pure, unblemished.
Adam and Eve represent humanity's birth into spiritual knowledge.
Before Cain and Able were mentioned, there was nothing said about other people, yet, Cain went to Nod to marry their (the people of Nod's) daughters...
Where did the people of Nod come from?

 

[Dark_Lite]

See my thread on this:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7536963/

- There are no signs of a transition from Stone Age to Neolithic Revolution, as archeologists state ''it sprung from nowhere''. I call that evidence for creation.

The people in that thread have shown what's wrong with your line of reasoning.

 

[shernren]

Alongside "Wash at 40°"

And it was all created five minutes ago.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

My take is that God created Adam and Eve not in his physical image, but his spiritual image...pure, unblemished.
Adam and Eve represent humanity's birth into spiritual knowledge.
Before Cain and Able were mentioned, there was nothing said about other people, yet, Cain went to Nod to marry their (the people of Nod's) daughters...
Where did the people of Nod come from?

Adam was made in the bodily image of God the Word, who was to come in flesh, and is come in flesh, as Romans 5:15 states.
Nod means to wander, in Hebrew. There is no land of Nod. The English translators missed the meaning of the word.
Cain became a wander in the land, as God said he would, with his wife, a sister. He did find grace, stopped wandering, and built a city.

 

[Assyrian]

Adam was made in the bodily image of God the Word, who was to come in flesh, and is come in flesh, as Romans 5:15 states.
Nod means to wander, in Hebrew. There is no land of Nod. The English translators missed the meaning of the word.
Cain became a wander in the land, as God said he would, with his wife, a sister. He did find grace, stopped wandering, and built a city.

Then why say he settled in the land of Nod? Gen 4:16 Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Nod can mean vagrancy or flight, it can also mean exile, which makes a lot more sense with Cain settling down, raising a family and building a city there.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Then why say he settled in the land of Nod? Gen 4:16 Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Nod can mean vagrancy or flight, it can also mean exile, which makes a lot more sense with Cain settling down, raising a family and building a city there.

He did not settle but wandered, dwelling in exile east of Eden.

The translator's Preface to the Book of Jasher, page 5, at this link, shows how Jasher made the Hebrew plain, that there is no land of nod.
http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/preface.pdf
Also, those who would slay Cain were the heavenly Watchers/judges, who abide in Mount Eden and are set over earth. Abel said YHWH would avenge his blood if Cain killed him, and YHWH works through his judges, who are holy watchers/angels. Cain knew very well that he would be slain, because the Watchers rule over the earth doing the will of YHWH [they are addressed in Psalm 82, and are seen doing their job of ruling for YHWH, over earth, in Daniel 4]. God gave Cain a promise that he would not be slain by the watchers, and bound the watchers to His curse if they did do it. The Watchers didn't do it, and Cain ended up being slain by his own descendant, Lamech, in mistake, according to the Record Book of the Upright.


Jasher 1:32,33

And it shall be when thou shalt till it, it shall no more give thee its strength as in the beginning, for thorns and thistles shall the ground produce, and thou shalt be moving and wandering in the earth until the day of thy death.
33

And at that time Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, from the place where he was, and he went moving and wandering in the land toward the east of Eden, he and all belonging to him.