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Dating the creation of Adam

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Adam was made in the bodily image of God the Word, who was to come in flesh, and is come in flesh, as Romans 5:15 states.

But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through the trespass, much more surely have the grace of God and the free gift in the grace of the one man Jesus Christ, abounded for many. Romans 5:15

I see nothing here about connecting Adam's bodily configuration to Jesus' bodily configuration.

As a descendant of Adam, Jesus naturally had a human form. But had Adam's form been different from a bi-pedal primate, then Jesus' form would have naturally been that form.

Both biology and the doctrine of the Incarnation agree that Jesus' physical form had to imitate Adam's. I don't know of any reason why Adam's had to imitate Jesus. Nor any scripture suggesting that.

And since Romans 5:15 does not mention physical form at all, I don't see its relevance.
 
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As a descendant of Adam, Jesus naturally had a human form.
Jesus the Christ is not a genetic descendant of Adam. Being born out of the womb of the virgin, He is the legal heir of earth, being born of a daughter of Adam's seed.
His New Man flesh is the "New Thing in the earth, when a woman compassed a Geber" [as Jeremiah prophesied], and that body was prepared for His donning like one dons a garment [Isaiah 59, YHWH put that body of Kinsman on, as a garment], in the womb of the virgin, all new, of New Man creation, and was not of Adam. If the body of Christ was of Adam, it could never have been our Mercy Seat, which was typed by Moses as incorruptible gold. His body of New Man flesh could never, ever, corrupt, not even if He had never taken it back up again, for the prince of this world had nothing in Him.

He, being Christ, come in the New Man creation body of flesh, is the Kinsman/Redeemer of all that the dead brother, the first man, lost, and because He did not come in the dead Adam spirit or flesh, He had the Life to lay down, to atone for Adam and to buy back the earth, which was sold into sin and corruption -and to marry the barren "widow" [Zion of the Spirit, personified as a Woman from Genesis to Revelation, who was typed by Eve, the "mother of the living (seed)"], and He did lay down the Life He had, and it was accepted above, once, for all, because there was nothing in Him of Adam, to defile the sacrifice; and He laid it down for the ransom of the earth [when the blood was poured on the ground in front of the altar of sacrifice] and for the cleansing of the defiled souls born in Adam.
Having done that, He a "Husband/Ish" of the redeemed, who are the Israel [Hosea 2], as His Bride, and the Gentile Church is adopted into that New Man name when those of the Gentiles get their redemption bodies, but we have the promise of AbraHAm in having the gift of New Life, when we are born again by that Spirit of promise.
The True Church is Jerusalem above, the mother of us all, made of both Jews and Gentiles who are adopted into His Living Spirit.
Please go search that one out in the Scriptures and prove all things for yourself.
...And since Romans 5:15 does not mention physical form at all, I don't see its relevance.
Romans 5:14 ..."Adam who is the tupos of Him who was to come.
Rom 5:14 Adam...who is the figure/tupos of him that was to come.
1) the mark of a stroke or blow, print
2) a figure formed by a blow or impression
a) of a figure or image

It is the body of Adam which is made in the one image of God the Word, and made in the very image of God the Word who was to come in flesh -and is come in flesh.

The one Image of God is the Person of the Word who was the Son of Man in heaven before the foundation of the world was laid, who was hidden with God, and who was God, and who was to come ,and who is come in flesh of second creation; and in whose very bodily image Adam was created, and made male and female, so as to multiply the seed as sons of God for the temple not made with hands to indwell.

The reason that the penalty for murder of an Adam person is death, in the Scriptures [Genesis 9] is because Adam is made in the image of God the Word, who was to come and is come.
That image was in heaven before He came in flesh, and He is the only Person in YHWH whom any created being has ever or shall ever see.


So the fall of Adam, son of God, would have stopped God's plan for Adam and for this earth, except that, before the fall, The Son of Man in heaven was already written to come as the Lamb, the Kinsman/Redeemer, to redeem the Adam seed back, for the Glory.
 
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Extant estimates or calculations
on the creation of Adam (BC)


Discuss what date you support.:clap:

I support Bishop Ussher 4004BC. It is easy to trace the geneology from Adam to Abraham. It is difficult to trace the geneology after Abraham was born, but there does not seem to be any controversy as to when he lived. Also all of the Hebrews and all of the Arabs are decended from Adam so science can trace the DNA back to him. Of course the Arabs have Egypt for a mother and the Hebrews have Sarah for a mother.

Interesting that the current revolution began in Egypt the mother nation and now is spreading to all the other nations. Abraham is often referred to as being the "father of many nations."

The end of this church age will be after April 13 2029. That will be 2000 years from the day of pentacost.
 
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Doesn't ancient Sumer date to 7,000 BC? Not sure how Adam created after that works....
Science is very interested in the beginning of agriculture. There are a lot of studies that investigate the transition from man as a hunter food gather to a food producer. I have extensively studied history for the last 14,000 years when the last great ice age came to an end. There is no conflicts between the Bible and what Science has discovered. For example, the Bible talks about Adam and Eve covering themselves with a Fig Leaf. Actually this is the fiber from the Fig tree. There are still some tribes in Africa that use the Fig tree fiber but the clothing comes out more like a paper and is not as durable as the fiber from other plants. We still make clothing out of fiber today, only we use more synthetic fiber and less natural. Also we have more complex machines to do what they use to use somewhat more simple machines to spin the thread and weave the cloth.

Bryan Sykes was the first to extract the DNA from the tooth of skeltons that they have found. I believe the day will soon come when they will be able to build the whole family tree for everyone that has ever lived. DNA pretty much shows the Bible and Adam and Eve in the Bible to be true.
 
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and where did the images in the OP come from?

My photobucket. They are from several old books, including most notably William Hales' A New Analysis of Chronology (1809) which lists 120+ calculations of the earth's age from ancient or medieval authorities.

I also updated the YEC article at Wikipedia -

see : Young Earth creationism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've listed many calculations in the 'origins' section.

You can also check the 'dating creation' article:

see: Dating Creation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I added the sections on the 'Greek and Roman' 'Egyptian' and 'Sumerian and Babylonian' dating. I'm going to add other ancient calculations for the date of creation in the next few weeks as well.
 
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I support Bishop Ussher 4004BC. It is easy to trace the geneology from Adam to Abraham. It is difficult to trace the geneology after Abraham was born, but there does not seem to be any controversy as to when he lived. Also all of the Hebrews and all of the Arabs are decended from Adam so science can trace the DNA back to him. Of course the Arabs have Egypt for a mother and the Hebrews have Sarah for a mother.

Interesting that the current revolution began in Egypt the mother nation and now is spreading to all the other nations. Abraham is often referred to as being the "father of many nations."

The end of this church age will be after April 13 2029. That will be 2000 years from the day of pentacost.

I find it interesting that you think it is "easy" to trace this geneology. Is this because the Gospel of Matthew chooses not to trace from Adam to Abraham thereby eliminating the conflict between Matthew and Luke that exists in the entire line from Abraham to Jesus? Not only did Matthew specifically state there were 42 generations in that span and Luke lists about 52 I believe...they could not even agree on who was the father of Joseph. If both gospels went back to Adam there would be just as much conflict in that span as in the latter.

The notion of pinning down such a specific time frame for the end of the church age is clearly based on location specific (your present location in time) speculation and nothing more.
 
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I find it interesting that you think it is "easy" to trace this geneology. Is this because the Gospel of Matthew
Has nothing to do with Matthew. It has to do with the records that Moses records in the Bible. He give the age of every person when they had their son and how long they lived. We see that Noah's father was alive back when Adam was still alive.
 
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Hugh Ross has the maximum figure of 58,000 BC, the lowest is about 3600 BC. Adam was created during this period based on the archeological and historical data we have.
Archaeological data regarding Adam? Do go on...
 
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There are people who skip over the geneologys in the Bible. I like to read them. There use to be people who studied them extensively, like Bishop Usher.
I am familiar with the work of Bishop Usher. However, my question stands... where in the geneologies do they say how old the patriarchs were when their sons were born, and where does it say Noah's father was alive contemporaneously with Adam?
 
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Has nothing to do with Matthew. It has to do with the records that Moses records in the Bible. He give the age of every person when they had their son and how long they lived. We see that Noah's father was alive back when Adam was still alive.

So then the Gospel of Luke totally blew it only after Abraham...or was it Matthew that got it totally wrong?

This inerrancy stuff always confuses me. ^_^
 
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I am familiar with the work of Bishop Usher. However, my question stands... where in the geneologies do they say how old the patriarchs were when their sons were born, and where does it say Noah's father was alive contemporaneously with Adam?

Genesis lists the ages of the antideluvian patriarchs, then if you count back from the flood - you get a rough date for the creation of Adam. Note its only a rough date though, as estimates range usually from 7,000 - 3,600 BC depending on the Septuagint, Samaritan or Masoretic.
 
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