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Darwin's evolution theory?

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/25/AR2005092501177.html

Evolution's repeated power to predict the unexpected goes a long way toward explaining why so many scientists and others are practically apoplectic over the recent decision by a Pennsylvania school board to treat evolution as an unproven hypothesis, on par with "alternative" explanations such as Intelligent Design (ID), the proposition that life as we know it could not have arisen without the helping hand of some mysterious intelligent force.
 
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linssue55 said:
I just saw a PBS special and the 5 scientists there "DEBUNKED" his theory. They ALL concluded that from DNA "there has to be a God, a supreme being. The REAL question is? If you believe in Darwin?, then you can't believe in Gods plan or Adam and Eve?..... :scratch:

Sounds like an Intelligent Design group they interviewed. Of course, the "supreme being" could be something or someone other than God/Jehovah, there would be no way to prove otherwise through DNA. And one can't really prove that evolution isn't God's plan either.
 
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GraceInHim said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/25/AR2005092501177.html

Evolution's repeated power to predict the unexpected goes a long way toward explaining why so many scientists and others are practically apoplectic over the recent decision by a Pennsylvania school board to treat evolution as an unproven hypothesis, on par with "alternative" explanations such as Intelligent Design (ID), the proposition that life as we know it could not have arisen without the helping hand of some mysterious intelligent force.


again: the wrong part is bolded.
 
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PaladinValer said:
Since there is nothing in evolution to suggest that a literal Adam and Eve aren't possible, the anti-evolutionists have, once again, been proven wrong.

I believe in a literal Adam and Eve and also in a literal seven-day creation week. I also believe that God created Adam and Eve as humans in His image. However, I do not believe that ideas such as natural selection and adaptation are completely incompatible with Christianity although I disagree with evolutionists as to the scope of that process. Animals and people obviously do adapt to their environments. Also, in environments with competition for limited resources, some would be more fit to survive than others. The points of dispute, it seems to me, are whether species actually evolve into totally new and improved species over time and, of course, how life originally began on our planet.

Some people, like Paladin (in above quote), allow for the possibility of a literal Adam and Eve. Others have posted that Adam and Eve were figurative characters. My question for those who believe that there could have been a literal Adam and Eve is where would they fit into the whole evolutionary spectrum, especially in relation to the alleged ancestors of modern-day humans (possibly, as many scientists believe, Australopithecines--not monkeys)? Also, how would a Christian reconcile the Fall of Man as recorded in the Bible with evolutionary science, particularly since in an evolutionary scenario death would have had to exist before sin?
 
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invisible trousers said:
that's an absolute lie.



that's a lie also. your actual statement is

just because you think genesis was meant to be read literally does not automatically make it God's correct way of reading the bible.

besides, a literal genesis creation makes a problem where God's written evidence of creation (da bible) doesn't match up with every single piece of physical evidence (da world) He's left for us. you are more than welcome to worship a god who in your eyes is deceitful and a liar, but please don't try to make me to follow him.
LOL..... Hey, whatever. You believe your way, and I will believe mine. ;)
 
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MoodyBlue said:
Sounds like an Intelligent Design group they interviewed. Of course, the "supreme being" could be something or someone other than God/Jehovah, there would be no way to prove otherwise through DNA. And one can't really prove that evolution isn't God's plan either.
They said A God, doesn't matter whom. My whole point is they Debunked Evolution.
 
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linssue55 said:
LOL..... Hey, whatever. You believe your way, and I will believe mine. ;)

sure, that works :)

linssue55 said:
They said A God, doesn't matter whom. My whole point is they Debunked Evolution.

you need to actually justify this, though.
 
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invisible trousers said:
sure, that works :)



you need to actually justify this, though.
Excuse me! I only have to justify myself and what I beleive to the Lord. Your choice through free will to believe it or not, which is also between you and the Lord. ;)
 
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thereselittleflower said:
Just look at the fruit of Darwin's theories . . .

Darwin's theories resulted in the growth of the eugenics movement all over Europe and America after Darwin . . .



Hi "natural selection" extends to the social and moral realms, where he saw our social structure and morals as something that evolved, and not inherent in or to man's nature. Human conscience arose as an accident of natural selection which provides an apparently scientific foundation for moral relativism.
"Since," according to Darwin, "human conscience arose as an accident of natural selection, it need not have arisen in any particular form. . . and since evolution continues, many new variations of conscience shall continue to occur. Consequently, no particular variety of conscience can be judged any better or worse than any other.


" . . . evolutionary superiority (including sympathy) was gained only by the brutal struggle of survival between races, a struggle that was far from completed. Thus moral progres entailed the extermination of the "less fit" races by the more favored, or advanced, races.



The inevitability of racial extermination was derived directly frm Darwin's evolutionary arguments in the Origin (the full title of which was The Origin of the Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life)
the forms which stand in closest competition with those undergoing modification and improvement will naturally suffer most. And . . it is the most closely-allied fotrms, - varieties of the same species, and species of teh same genus or of related genera, -which, from having nearly teh same structure, constitution, an d habits, generally come into the severest competition with each other; consequently, each new variety of species, during the progress of its formation, will generally press hardest on its nearest kindred, and tend to exterminate them.

Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species (New York:Mentor, 1958), chao 4, Extinction Caused . . . ", p. 112

This argument translated directly to his assessment of the evolutionary history of human races and the necessary and beneficial extinction of the least "Favoured Races":
At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage reaces. At the same time, the anthropomorphous apes [that is, the ones which look most like the savages in structure] . .. will no douobt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope . . the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.

Dariwn, Descent of Man, pt. 1, chap. 6, p 201



Above we see that Darwin equated the negro or Australian with the savage races he had just referred to . .


According to Darwin, because the sympathy of the advanced races allowed the weak and infirm to survive as oppsed to the more savage races which held to no such sympathy, and though he recognized that we could not
"check our sympathy, if urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature . . Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind"​


Dariwn, Descent of Man, pt. 1, chap. 5, p 168-169

there was good reason to fear evolutionary backsliding. He wrote if we​
"do not prevent the reckless, the vicious and otherwise inferior members of society from increasing at a quicker rate than the better class of men, the nation will retrograde, as has occured too often in the history of the world.' "We must remember that progress is no invariable rule . .. We can only say that it depends on an increase in the actual number of the population, on the number of men endowed with high intellectual and moral facutlies, as well as on their standard of excellence."​


Dariwn, Descent of Man, pt. 1, chap. 5, p 177

The quoted sections above are from Donal De Marco and Benjamin Wiker Architects of the Culture of Death Ignatius Press, copyright 2004 section on




The question of Darwinisim goes way beyond the application of Darwin's natural selection to mere physical evolution . . . it goes to the very heart of who we are . . . and stands against the NATURAL Law God has put in place in our universe, which includes MORAL law . . .

Darwinism denies all that . . makes morality relative . . supports and promotes the growth of eugenics, the surpression and even extinction of the 'lessor races' and the unfit . . .


Should Chrsitians believe this?



Peace




Dissenting from your magisterium that states that evolutionary theory is not inconsistent with Christianity, hmmm? I'm loving it!
 
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GraceInHim said:
ok - we just have to wait for the verdict - the court case is still out and has not been complete yet - I mean a real court case - ;)

And since 100% of biologists say you're wrong, then you are wrong.

It is anti-Christian to spread lies. Like it or not, evolution never said humans came from apes, nor does it say that Adam and Eve couldn't have been the first modern human beings.

Either way, welcome to a Catch 22.
 
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PaladinValer said:
And since 100% of biologists say you're wrong, then you are wrong.

It is anti-Christian to spread lies. Like it or not, evolution never said humans came from apes, nor does it say that Adam and Eve couldn't have been the first modern human beings.

Either way, welcome to a Catch 22.

anti-Christian? - that is really nice --- http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=114

this is where you will find that Many proponents are religeous and evolution on WHO endorses it. sheesh - what got you ticking off???

sorry there is no catch 22 --- and this will come out in the future
 
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August 23, 2005
Scientists Speak Up on Mix of God and Science

by Cornelia Dean
The New York Times

http://pewforum.org/news/display.php?NewsID=5258

At a recent scientific conference at City College of New York, a student in the audience rose to ask the panelists an unexpected question: "Can you be a good scientist and believe in God?"
Reaction from one of the panelists, all Nobel laureates, was quick and sharp. "No!" declared Herbert A. Hauptman, who shared the chemistry prize in 1985 for his work on the structure of crystals.

Belief in the supernatural, especially belief in God, is not only incompatible with good science, Dr. Hauptman declared, "this kind of belief is damaging to the well-being of the human race."
 
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invisible trousers said:
i don't think you understand science.

keep in mind gravity is still a theory too.

In response to the inane analogy between evolutionary theory and gravitational theory, blogger "Pedantic Protestant" capably pointed out the obvious point some evolutionists have apparently somehow missed in their eagerness to defend neo-Darwinism at an cost in his blogpost Stupid Secular Tricks. Perhaps you might benefit by reading it.
 
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GraceInHim said:
August 23, 2005
Scientists Speak Up on Mix of God and Science

by Cornelia Dean
The New York Times

http://pewforum.org/news/display.php?NewsID=5258

At a recent scientific conference at City College of New York, a student in the audience rose to ask the panelists an unexpected question: "Can you be a good scientist and believe in God?"
Reaction from one of the panelists, all Nobel laureates, was quick and sharp. "No!" declared Herbert A. Hauptman, who shared the chemistry prize in 1985 for his work on the structure of crystals.

Belief in the supernatural, especially belief in God, is not only incompatible with good science, Dr. Hauptman declared, "this kind of belief is damaging to the well-being of the human race."

You go girl......:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 
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